Religion of Peace Update
Published on August 23, 2004 By greywar In Politics

            There have been a recent series of articles over at LGF that have once again sent me into a rage. Lets start here where a 16 year old girl who was on “trial” in a Sharia court for pre-marital sex (a capital offense in Islamist-backwater-shitholes like Iran). At the conclusion of her trial she was hanged personally by the judge who said that she was not hanged for her offense but because “She had a sharp tongue.” Which is an unforgivable offense in Islamist society as well, she should have just been quiet (oh wait she couldn’t stay quiet as she was forced to defend herself in her trial due to being denied counsel). For those folks who don’t click links or who can’t access the LGF site itself here is an excerpt.

 

Last Sunday in northern Iran, a 16-year old girl was hanged in public for the crime of having a sharp tongue. (Hat tip: Mentat.)

On Sunday, August 15, a 16-year-old girl in the town of Neka, northern Iran, was executed. Ateqeh Sahaleh was hanged in public on Simetry Street off Rah Ahan Street at the city center.
 
In her summary trial, the teenage victim did not have any lawyer and efforts by her family to recruit a lawyer was to no avail. Ateqeh personally defended herself.


The judge personally pursued Ateqeh’s death sentence, beyond all normal procedures and finally gained the approval of the Supreme Court. After her execution Rezai said her punishment was not execution but he had her executed for her “sharp tongue”.

 

 

            Moving on…. Courtesy of Emperor Darth Misha I over at the Anti-Idiotarian Empire we have the charming story of a woman who was forced to marry her rapist to avoid “Muslim shunning”. I wont go into the full detail here as it is quite lengthy but I encourage you to go read it. I submit to you that simply being associated with a religion this vile should make you feel dirtier than an altar boy in a Boston parish after participating in “Bingo Night”.

            Rounding out this cavalcade of horror we have Muslim women using their children as human shields in the Imam Ali Shrine in Nejef (the more correct spelling and pronunciation I am told). These women have been brainwashed into allowing Muqtada Al-Sadr to use their kids as pawns in his personal grab for power. Frankly I don’t know how the Islamic states manage positive population growth with this sort of disregard for their own offspring.

            The capstone to all of this is an article that borders on the absurd. Go read this article about “the Genesis and Genius of Islam” then come back and tell me how the intellectual elite of this country got this far out of touch with reality.

            I have had it with the “Religion of Peace” and all of its adherents. Talk all you like about extremism but you are all culpable in this now. It has gone on too long for you to hide behind your denials. Fix your religion and society or pay the price.


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on Aug 23, 2004
Go read this article about “the Genesis and Genius of Islam” then come back and tell me how the intellectual elite of this country got this far out of touch with reality.


Have you read Mona Charen's book "Useful Idiots"? It's subtitled "How liberals got it wrong in the cold war and still blame America first." The belief is America is wrong about just about everything. They have programmed themselves to take the other side, no matter what. They've been at it for a long time, way back to when Communism was the hip, happening thing in America's pre-Depression era intelligensia circles. Same song, slightly changed lyrics.

It has gone on too long for you to hide behind your denials. Fix your religion and society or pay the price.


Unfortunately I think that's like telling a three year old to grow up.
on Aug 23, 2004
Thank you, greywar. I try to fairly evaluate everything, but, frankly, Islam doesn't stand up to the evaluation..
on Aug 23, 2004
SSG Geezer thought I should have put in "sexual mutilation" as a pillar as well but I ran out of title room.
on Aug 23, 2004
Try comparing medeival Christendom to the Islamic world today. The religion of Islam has no fundamental flaw, it teaches social egalitarianism and devotion to God. The problem is not Islam, it's those running it.
on Aug 23, 2004
" Try comparing medeival Christendom to the Islamic world today"


Why? Doesn't seem relevant. Why not compare then to pre-historic Shamanism?

No, the fact is that the brand of Islam we are fighting against refuses to evolve because doing so would put political power in the hands of secular authority. When you could make a career for yourself as a wealthy, tryannical thug, the Catholic church was a go-to kind of organization. Once it lost its secular political authority it was able to evolve and moderate itself spritually, and stopped torturing and burning people.

So, in order for Islam to evolve, it needs to lose its ability to make people wildly powerful secularly, imho. That is what all the Imams and people like bin Laden fear, and why they hate secular government so much.


on Aug 23, 2004

Reply #5 By: matt07 - 8/23/2004 1:38:49 PM
Try comparing medeival Christendom to the Islamic world today.


Not a fair comparison. Medieval Christians operated in a world full of fear as a result of lack of knowledge. It would be the same as attacking a neanderthal for not being humane in killing his prey. We have learned much in the intervening years; to hold misguided Christians from 1400 years ago responsible for our current knowledge is not at all reasonable.

The problem is not Islam, it's those running it.


True, but it's those in the public eye that need to be responsible. This hits directly at the argument I advance in my "I am NOT a Role Model" article, so I won't rehash it here.

on Aug 23, 2004
The reason that I said try comparing medeival Christendom to the Islamic world was to show that Islam is no more a flawed religion than Christianity is. Outrages like the ones you named also happen in places that aren't Muslim, but are third-world and rule by repressing dictators. It really has less to do with Islam than the conditions of the countries. I think you're right that moving towards secular or atleast more secular governments is good. Take the example of Turkey. It's over 70% Muslim, yet it's democratic and highly secular. Now it's a prosperous nation, despite having little oil, and a powerful ally of the U.S., and certainly not a breeding ground for terrorism. Democracy would also help, but it's doubtful that any democratic government could survive in most Middle Eastern countries. There is much hope however, since didcontent with leaders in the Muslim world is high, and an overthrow of the violent, repressive, anti-U.S. regime in Iran is almost certain to happen within the next 10 years probably within the next 5.
on Aug 23, 2004
I agree I think Christianity is every bit as flawed as Islam, it is just that there is no support for Christianity's rampant retards. Certainly not on the scale Islam has.
on Aug 23, 2004
but until all Muslims, as a global group, take a stand against these fanaticists, their general silence indicates acquiescence, if not outright approval.


Has Christianity, as a global group, taken a stand against the bombing of innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki 59 years ago? Have they condemned the slaughter of 6 million Jews in Eastern Europe 60 years ago? Have they condemened the overthrowing of a democratically elected government in Chili in the 70's? I can go on and on...but my point is... Humanity as a whole must take a stand against the powers of evil. Not any one select group.
on Aug 23, 2004
Islam is a very young religon (founded in 6th century A.D.) it still has a lot of growing up to do but i disagree that it's a "religion of Death" 200 years ago a christian girl would be busted for pre-martial sex. Islam is going though a process of reform as of today there are 2 (i think) muslum democracies Turkey & Indonesia, So far the best example of a liberal & compassionate Islam is Turkey, in the next 100 years Islam will change womens rights movements will happen, civil rights movments will happen and democracies will florish but for now Islam is battling it's self it's the Reformist vs. the Extreme, and bealive it or not the reformist are wining that's why the extremists are acting the way they act now but they will eventually fail.

on Aug 23, 2004
"Has Christianity, as a global group, taken a stand against the bombing of innocent civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki 59 years ago?"


I think that for that to happen you'd have to convince us, as a global group, that it was wrong.

"Have they condemned the slaughter of 6 million Jews in Eastern Europe 60 years ago?"


What an ignorant, asinine statement. Yes, I think it is pretty much agreed upon that that was wrong. Are you so bitter and paranoid that you really believe Christians are somehow "undecided" about the holocaust? I'm sorry, that one earned you a dunce hat...

"Have they condemened the overthrowing of a democratically elected government in Chili in the 70's?"


Again, a subjective "wrong". A "mistake" perhaps, depending on who you talk to. Regardless, I wonder what the hell CHRISTIANITY has to do with it. Should Christianity rise up as a whole and condemn detail you disagree with in human history, or automatically be approving of it?

Condoning terrorism isn't the same as being unschooled aobut Chilean history.... Many, Many man-on-the-street Muslims in the Middle East celebrate terrorism. I think your comparison is full of it.
on Aug 23, 2004
, take a stand against these fanaticists, their general silence indicates acquiescence, if not outright approval.


They are silent beacuse if they speak they are killed by there own govenment or extrmeists.
on Aug 23, 2004

I agree I think Christianity is every bit as flawed as Islam, it is just that there is no support for Christianity's rampant retards. Certainly not on the scale Islam has.


Exactly.


You got an insightful from me for this one, greywar.

on Aug 23, 2004
They are silent beacuse if they speak they are killed by there own govenment or extrmeists.


People, en masse, can overcome a single leader or government. The government can't kill all it's subjects, can it?

Peace,

Beebes
on Aug 23, 2004
"Has Christianity, as a global group,... condemned the slaughter of 6 million Jews in Eastern Europe 60 years ago?""


I'm still reeling from that. How completely intolerable.

I'll do you one better. Has ISLAM condemned the holocaust? Considering the pre-ponderance of belief among Islamic radicals that it never happened at all, I kind of doubt it. I don't hink you want to compare modern Christianity's anti-Semitism with modern Islam's.

Damn insulting. This is one of those times I am glad I don't have admin status.

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