Paul Hamm Is A Whiny Bitch

We learned these rules in kindergarten people!

Published on September 28, 2004 By greywar In Current Events

This morning I listened to NPR's coverage of the "hearings" over the mistaken medal placement of Paul Hamm. Paul himself had some sound bites and stated that he would "fight to keep his medal". Hey Paul how about struggling to earn the fucking medal next time? I can't believe it takes hearings to sort this out! They should have just had a Romanian powerlifter go over and take the damn thing from him and stick the silver medal he did earn up his tear stained little ass.

For fucks sake what happened is the same thing as if they had been approaching the awards pedestal and the greeter accidentally directed the wrong guy to stand on the Gold spot. Would that guy feel justified in saying "Well thats what they said! I should keep it!"? I think not. Why this assclown thinks it will do him, the country, or his sport any good to carry on like a spoiled two year old is beyond my ability to comprehend.

To Paul Hamm: Look fuckpole, you won't be getting any endorsement bucks as "the guy who got a medal he didn't fucking win". Quit pissing in the sandbox out of spite and give the other kid back what is his.

F.E.T.E. (derived from Darth Misha I)

Comments (Page 1)

bakerstreet

on Sep 28, 2004

I don't get this, honestly. He won his medal, then supposedly the judge missed something small. The whiney bitches were the other team that came back after medals were handed out and demanded he hand his over. Ends up THEY had mistakes overlooked that would have taken points from them as well.

To me, the whiney bitch is the one that comes back after the game is over and demands a do-over. No one would be saying "Take back their win" if this was the Superbowl, or the World Series. They have an set time-limit opportunity according to the rules to petition for something to be rethought, and they didn't. Then later, when they saw it was gonna mean something, they decided they'd better whine.

I think you are off base on this one greywar. You don't let someone get a bad call, keep your mouth shut, and then later after you see that it caused you to lose demand their medal from them. THAT's being a whiney bitch, imho.

P.S. You know better than to take the NPR view of an issue without putting it through your anti-"We wish we were European" filter.

bakerstreet

on Sep 28, 2004

"Quit pissing in the sandbox out of spite and give the other kid back what is his."

That's where you are wrong, I think. You are under the impression that Hamm took somethint away from someone. He got back to the US, and got some idiotic letter in the mail asking him to give up his medal because the other team decided to complain about a call after it was too late. It is, frankly, asinine to blame Hamm for it.

I hope you misread the situation.

chiprj

on Sep 28, 2004

When it comes down to it, I couldn't give less of a crap over gymnastics... I agree that Hamm should just STFU. He doesn't do his case any good by saying anything at all. I don't think he should just give the medal up, though. It was a field of play error and should have stopped there. Like BakerStreet pointed out, this wouldn't be an issue if it were after a football or baseball game. Errors happen on the field all the time. It's part of sports. In this case, there is no replay. It's unfortunate, but that's it.

In my opinion, he did earn it, under the rules as they were applied in this situation. They were applied poorly and a mistake was made. But there is a process for fixing that error and by most accounts, that process was not followed. I think that the only leg the SK delegation has to stand on is if they can prove that they weren't allowed to dispute the starting score at the appropriate time. Otherwise, it was (as has been said too many times - wardrobe malfunction anyone?) a field of play decision/error and isn't normally subject to review after the fact. If the SK delegation does prove that they were not allowed to protest at the appropriate time, then I would not support a review of Yang's performance on video to see if he was correctly judged, though. That is definetely out, in my opinion.

It is a tarnished win. But that's more the FIG's fault than Hamms.

bakerstreet

on Sep 28, 2004

Wait. He can't shut up in hearings, jeez. That's like saying a witness in a trial needs to shut up.

People are asking him questions and he is answering them. If greywar wants to side with anti-US babies that decided after the event was over to take somene's medal away, let him. Isn't the normal kind of attitude I have come to expect, though.

The worst possible thing that could happen is if he hands the medal back. Then every time some judge makes a mistake, instead of protesting when you are supposed to, the other teams will just wait til it is all over and try to win their medals with hearings. gah...

dharmagrl

on Sep 28, 2004

The worst possible thing that could happen is if he hands the medal back

Yep, that will open the freakin' floodgates. I think the whole judging process at this year's gymnastics competitions was wrong - that an audience can influence a judge to change the score he gave makes me question his judging ability and expertise.

The score is what the score is, the first time around. That's it.

bakerstreet

on Sep 28, 2004

I'm still hoping that this was somthing greywar didn't have a grip on. Makes no sense, blaming the hearings on Hamm and expecting him to hand his medal over because some other team demands it after the competition is over...

greywar

on Sep 28, 2004

The deal was a judging error. Plain and simple. The other guy did a harder routine and got a higher score. End Of Story. I don't give a shit if he is disappointed! Sports is about sportsmanship. These Olympic rules are well known to all those who compete they know going into it that in the case of a scoring error the medal ain't theirs. Fuck Hamm. If the score is a first time go thing great. But it is not. The well established rules spell out exactly how these cases are to be handled and the rule is that they shut up, and swap medals. If they change the rules then fine, but don't act like Hamm had no clue.

bakerstreet

on Sep 28, 2004

You are way off base greywar. They had an opportunity to say something. They didn't. Then, once they realize they are gonna lose, they start whining.

Then, Hamm gets back home and gets a letter in the mail.

I don't think you really have a handle on this, dude. You don't come wait til a competition is over and say "Oh, by the way, the judge made a mistake, give me your medal." This is the fekkin olympics for heaven's sake, not the Miss Teen USA pagent.

" South Korean gymnast and bronze medalist Yang Tae Young filed an appeal against the International Gymnastics Federation (FIG), asking the court to change the results of the Aug. 18 competition, giving him the gold and Hamm the silver.

FIG admitted Yang mistakenly was given a 9.9 instead of a 10.0 start value on his parallel bars routine. FIG suspended three judges but said the results stand.

Monday's arguments by Hamm and the USOC, who have joined forces, centered on three issues: This was a field-of-play decision and therefore not subject to review by the court; the Koreans failed to protest in a timely manner; and it can't be assumed Yang would have won if one-tenth of a point had been added to his score with one apparatus remaining.

USOC general counsel Jeff Benz said the court said it would try to issue a decision as soon as possible.

"I thought a lot of things got cleared up today, a lot of facts came out and the whole story was told, and it was very educational for me in many ways," Hamm said. "Actually, my father thinks I should be getting college credit for this. -Link"

If you want to side with a spoil sport whiner, great, grey. Don't put the whining off on HAMM though. He won, they gave him a medal, and now they are trying to take it away. Don't try and pretend he is trying to take someone else's medal away.

"If they determine by the rules of gymnastics that I should give back my medal, I will," Hamm said afterward in a telephone news conference. -LINK"

To me, this Yang dude is the whiny bitch in the situation.

greywar

on Sep 28, 2004

I do not care about the timeline. Not at all. Paul Hamm looks like a whiny tard for doing this. He would have been a fucking hero if he graciously gave the damn medal back and took a silver. His interviews and book deals would have been HUGE. Now? Just a whiny asshole. The spoil sport whiner is Hamm here. The other guy did the harder routine and got the better score. When the SK's protested during the competition they were told that everything had been kosher. It wasn't. Hamm should have had the sack to be a man and give it up. Now he just gets lumped in with all the rest of out prime ass-letes who can't figure out how to get along with the other kids on the playground.

BlueDev

on Sep 28, 2004

The other guy did a harder routine and got a higher score. End Of Story.

Actually, if you go back and watch the routine you will notice he did 4 holds. Rules are only 3 holds in the routine. Each additional hold equates to a 0.2 point deduction, thus bringing the maximum possible score of the routine down to 9.8. The judges screwed up and missed this the first time around as well. So either way the max points should have been 9.8. He did a harder routine, but even after all is said and done he shouldn't have gotten a higher score.

Not that I really know gymnastics, I just read a lot about it at the time. Came across that somewhere, but can't site it. Too long. Sorry.

chiprj

on Sep 28, 2004

Wait. He can't shut up in hearings, jeez.

I doubt that he's been called to the stand and sworn in... I mean, really, he's not on trial here. The ruling that gave him the gold is. So, yes, he should STFU to the press. That's who he is talking to. There is nothing he should have to say to the CAS. Honestly, there is nothing the USOC should say to the CAS. They should just sit back and wait for the ruling. The FIG, and how it ran the competition, is on trial here. The FIG should defend itself and how it ran the competition. Under it's own rules it has taken action.

The SK team has a legitimate complaint, the problem is whether they made an attempt to fix the error at the right time or not. If they did not, then too bad. That's life. Their own irresponsibility cost them the gold. It hasn't been well publicized, but they do have the oppurtunity to review starting values before and after the athlete competes. Common sense dictates that three judges should be able to do simple math, but there are checks and balances and complaining after the medals go out is too late. Yeah, it sucks.

The well established rules spell out exactly how these cases are to be handled and the rule is that they shut up, and swap medals.

The well established rules set a time limit on protesting errors.

chiprj

on Sep 28, 2004

The spoil sport whiner is Hamm here.

I agree.

To me, this Yang dude is the whiny bitch in the situation.

I don't think so. He's said very little, actually (I check and read Korean new sites). The SK coaches may have screwed him by not checking the start value and protesting on time. That's really what the CAS should be looking into here.

That is even more non-reviewable. If the decision is reversed because the SK team was lied to or not allowed to protest, I think anyone arguing this would be even more off base.

bakerstreet

on Sep 28, 2004

Fine, give the yang a medal he didn't win. maybe it'll make a man of him...

Geez, you think you know people. Remind me to never play softball with you grey. A month later I'll probably get a letter from you lawyer...

chiprj

on Sep 28, 2004

This is slightly off topic, but you gotta wonder what the other Korean gymnast feels all about this... I mean, if they do bump Yang up to the gold and Hamm down to the silver, that would mean that the other Korean would drop from silver to bronze... Wonder if he's secretly Hamm's biggest fan...

BlueDev

on Sep 28, 2004

That is even more non-reviewable. If the decision is reversed because the SK team was lied to or not allowed to protest, I think anyone arguing this would be even more off base.

Exactly, both points really ought to be moot by now. The rules, all the rules, really state things should just stay the way they are. To be honest, I really don't care one way or the other anymore, but if you are going to go back and change a decision because one judging mistake was made, how can you not take into consideration the other judging mistake that was made in the event? I don't think you can.

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