I think that was mainly a habit of speech, much like when I say ATM machine or pregnant female or viscious lies. Who else would be pregnant?

ok, i'll try to refrain from being pedantic in the future

What I've found recently is that I suck at debating. The reason for this is not that I haven't thought deeply about the issues, or that I can't articulate my point of view. No, the problem is that I have WAY too little patience with people bringing up the same old falacious arguments year after year. It's can be frustratingly boring! Can't we have these issues settled once and for all, and be done with it? I think it's that college culture stirring up the muck at the bottom of the lake. Like in Korea when the the students feel that they need to riot about *something* to have a complete college experience. Students in America feel they need to re-hash all the old arguments again to feel like they were part of the original debate. Ugh.

Who cares

The truly disgusting thing here is the 'Holocaust complex' that causes such a knee jerk reaction when anything to do with the subject is brought up. If people would unwire that little piece of mental programming that causes them to flip in response to any 'lightened take' on the matter, and instead take a stoic and thoughtful approach, they might be better able to understand the fascism within themselves. It's really not so big a deal in a broader context. Every era has its travesties. It is quite common nowdays to parody the torture and murder instruments of previous eras, the guillotines, the crucifixions, the torture devices of the Inquisition, even the atomic bomb. The point of the cartoon is, I believe, to illustrate that it is indeed quite common for us to annihilate ourselves in the most absurd and comical ways. The students were trying to be Kafkaesque, not Hitleresque. There is no hate here, and the only victims of the cartoon are the simple minded masses with their irrational 'Holocaust Complex', whose inferior intellectual sensitivities prevent them from enjoying a peaceful gaze into the abyss or a cozy afternoon suckling upon the breast of evil. It is you whose neurons are fizzing and buzzing like angry bees, while the artists of the shock delight in your reaction.

These are the same folks who would skewer anyone else for using anything remotely rascist

same people who allow this to happen would demand action be taken if it were done for any other group of people

Why the heck do you assume it was the same people? Let's do some research before you start calling people hypocrites:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/24/education/24rutgers.html

"The publication, The Medium - a journal of news and opinion that features humor, cultural items and sexual and scatological references..."
"the cartoon in the most recent edition of The Medium was the latest example in a long-running series of items that have offended various groups at the school...

As for the reaction of people not involved:
"the Rutgers president, Richard L. McCormick, said that the illustration was "outrageous in its cruelty" and called on the editors of the publication to issue an apology..."
"The university's senate, a body made up of student and faculty representatives, issued a statement on Friday noting that it "abhors" the illustration..."

In short, it's vastly misleading to imply that the "left wing inteligencia" is laughing this off.

I'm scared that some people can parody torture, atomic bomb or other historical tragedy. I'm afraid that people will paralyze their sense and that they will cause the same fault as past.
I don't wanna paralize my mind and cannnot parody what happend past wars as well as I don't want anyone to parody Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I've never experienced a war. So all I can do is to learn what happend and imagine how terrible people's suffering was. I guess some Jew suffer from this cartoon, especially old people who experienced Holocaust. Freedom of expression should be built on the duties which they should fulfil, the duties which are not described in constitution or laws.

The truly disgusting thing here is the 'Holocaust complex' that causes such a knee jerk reaction when anything to do with the subject is brought up. If people would unwire that little piece of mental programming that causes them to flip in response to any 'lightened take' on the matter, and instead take a stoic and thoughtful approach, they might be better able to understand the fascism within themselves. It's really not so big a deal in a broader context. Every era has its travesties. It is quite common nowdays to parody the torture and murder instruments of previous eras, the guillotines, the crucifixions, the torture devices of the Inquisition, even the atomic bomb. The point of the cartoon is, I believe, to illustrate that it is indeed quite common for us to annihilate ourselves in the most absurd and comical ways. The students were trying to be Kafkaesque, not Hitleresque. There is no hate here, and the only victims of the cartoon are the simple minded masses with their irrational 'Holocaust Complex', whose inferior intellectual sensitivities prevent them from enjoying a peaceful gaze into the abyss or a cozy afternoon suckling upon the breast of evil. It is you whose neurons are fizzing and buzzing like angry bees, while the artists of the shock delight in your reaction.

1) I love your misuse of the word "fascism".
2) Surely somebody of your superior intellect can understand the difference between those examples of cruelty you mention and genocide.
3) Would people who are offended by this be all right with a comic that said: "Bomb a Jap! Only three dollars!"

Thanks for the link vincible. We were wrong to assume that the left is laughing their asses off at the article. It also doesn't seem to be the first time either. Perhaps the university should change its policy on funding such drivel.

1) I love your misuse of the word "fascism".

I didn't misuse it.

2) Surely somebody of your superior intellect can understand the difference between those examples of cruelty you mention and genocide.

The difference between ancient, medieval, and modern forms of mass murder mirrors the difference between ancient, medieval, and modern forms of warfare. Modern genocide is made possible only by new forms of technology and control. The human psychological element remains much the same. We must dispose of those humans that are undesirable, and we most do so in a fashion that is most convenient to us. It just so happens that the nazis perfected this art to the point of absurdity.

Would people who are offended by this be all right with a comic that said: "Bomb a Jap! Only three dollars!"

It would depend upon the illustration. I imagine it could be done in a similar fashion. Of course the quality of the drawing should be a little bit higher. I imagine something like the weekly newspaper comic 'Close to Home'.

I guess I see that some people aren't offended by this drawing.

I am. I don't care if anyone isn't. It's disgusting, it's vile, distasteful, insensitive, cruel, unusual, and immature.

In order for someone to have drawn this, someone must have thought it was funny. I'm not Jewish, and as far as I know I don't suffer from the "Holocaust complex." And this is still disgusting.

Needless to say, it would have been disgusting had it featured *ANY* other type of person, minority OR majority, being knocked into an oven. It's not humorous if they're Jewish. It's not humorous if they're African American, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, or Caucasian. It simply isn't funny.

Yet again, it's disgusting, vile, distasteful, etc. I don't think there is any way of justifying someone finding the humor in something like this. If it wasn't meant to be "Hitleresque" they should have said so. If it was meant to be "Kafkaesque" they should have done a better job of pointing it out. And even if it wasn't meant to offend, clearly it does.

It is never funny to joke about someone's misfortunes. And the Holocaust is more than just a misfortune. It will never be funny to make jokes about the Holocaust, not today, not in fifteen years, not in five hundred years.

Period.

I see we have brought out at least some of the KKK's nominal apologists. Stunned it took so long but then again it is very hard for Holocaust deniers to contain their impotent rage for very long

It's disgusting, it's vile, distasteful, insensitive, cruel, unusual, and immature.

Yeah, that pretty much sizes up Franz Kafka, Dostoevsky, Luis Bunuel, and many other great artists of our times. Mind you, this comic is a rather pale immitation of anything devised by a master, and the drawing could have been done in much finer detail to convey a deeper sense of irony, but I think conceptually the kids were on the mark in their observation of the Holocaust industry, which effectively makes a carnival of gratuitious emotions, politically correct social branding, and taboo key phrases and images relating to the Holocaust. I don't think this is conducive to really understanding the Holocaust, but I do think the comic is conducive to understanding the Holocaust industry.

Needless to say, it would have been disgusting had it featured *ANY* other type of person, minority OR majority, being knocked into an oven.

I'm sure if it had been Hansel and Gretel you wouldn't be complaining.

It is never funny to joke about someone's misfortunes.

Utter nonsense. You do it, I do it, everyone does it. Don't even try to play that moral highroad on me.

And the Holocaust is more than just a misfortune.

No it's not. Don't you get it? It's a great misfortune, but that's all it is! It's not sacred ground, it's not devoid of its own cruel humor, it's not an 'event of religious proportions', whatever that might be. It won't go away if we keep taking it so seriously, and it won't come again if we take a more detatched view of it.

I see we have brought out at least some of the KKK's nominal apologists.

I hope you're not talking about me, buddy.

We must dispose of those humans that are undesirable, and we most do so in a fashion that is most convenient to us.

Yes I am talking to you and I am not your buddy.

Yeah, that pretty much sizes up Franz Kafka, Dostoevsky, Luis Bunuel, and many other great artists of our times. Mind you, this comic is a rather pale immitation of anything devised by a master, and the drawing could have been done in much finer detail to convey a deeper sense of irony, but I think conceptually the kids were on the mark in their observation of the Holocaust industry, which effectively makes a carnival of gratuitious emotions, politically correct social branding, and taboo key phrases and images relating to the Holocaust. I don't think this is conducive to really understanding the Holocaust, but I do think the comic is conducive to understanding the Holocaust industry.

When you think about it, all those racist jokes (including that one about a thousand Jews in the ashtray) and porn on the Internet and tentacle rape porn from Japan actually contain deep satirical imagery and social commentary.

Utter nonsense. You do it, I do it, everyone does it. Don't even try to play that moral highroad on me.

I'll laugh at people's misfortune, but I won't laugh about real events in which people were raped or killed. It's like that football that was just killed. I think most people wouldn't find that amusing, but I'm sure some people can find ways to turn those who are poking fun at it into satirical geniuses.

No it's not. Don't you get it? It's a great misfortune, but that's all it is! It's not sacred ground, it's not devoid of its own cruel humor, it's not an 'event of religious proportions', whatever that might be. It won't go away if we keep taking it so seriously, and it won't come again if we take a more detatched view of it.

Would trivializing the matter stop it from happening? I don't see how it would. As for making it go away, many things would go away if people stopped taking it so seriously, like the trauma from rape, paedophilia, murder, and other atrocities done to people. Perhaps we should start calling those who are traumatized or offended by such acts to get over it and stop being so simple-minded.

Yes I am talking to you and I am not your buddy.

Then you are participating in a failure, and we shall never break through the clouds of ignorance if we are participating in failure. Therefore there is no further discourse between us, since I refuse to strive towards failure.