Islam the Religion of Child Kidnappers? Plus! Euro Inaction!

on Dec 26, 2004

Reply #31 By: Dr. Guy - 12/25/2004 10:45:42 PM
Coming down to it, don't defend christianity from the fact that its extremists HAVE gone on crusades, as I wont defend Islam from the fact that its extremists currently ARE going on jihads.

Agreed. But then when was the last crusade, vs the last Jihad?

It was from 1187-1192 over 900 years ago. We learned better, what's their excuse?

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latour999

on Dec 26, 2004

It was from 1187-1192 over 900 years ago. We learned better, what's their excuse?

Or 2003-present.

I know! Let's all find the craziest, most fundamentalist, violent, stupid people of every religion, lock them up in a big room together, and see how many are left at the end of one week. Then cut off their water supply, and it's about 3 days until world peace. We can put security cameras in the room and show it on Pay Par View.

Can we just acknowledge that there are morons and assholes spread throughout every religion/country/ethnic group/political party, and not all say "Oh, this guy, who happens to be a _______ is an asshole because he _______, therefore all _______s are assholes." If we did that, everyone would be an asshole by association.

Or better yet, can't we all just get along?

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Dr Guy

on Dec 26, 2004

I know! Let's all find the craziest, most fundamentalist, violent, stupid people of every religion, lock them up in a big room together, and see how many are left at the end of one week. Then cut off their water supply, and it's about 3 days until world peace. We can put security cameras in the room and show it on Pay Par View.

Can we just acknowledge that there are morons and assholes spread throughout every religion/country/ethnic group/political party, and not all say "Oh, this guy, who happens to be a _______ is an asshole because he _______, therefore all _______s are assholes." If we did that, everyone would be an asshole by association.

Slow down Tonto! Why worry about ANYONE that expouses their faith, and it DOES NOT include killing non-beleivers?

That is the topic du jour. I dont care about Falwell, but he is not threatening to kill me just because I dont believe as he does.

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latour999

on Dec 26, 2004

Although I strongly agree with most of what you said. I'm not really sure about your opening remark. "Or 2003-present". Are you saying the christians are on another crusade?

First off, I believe Afghanistan was a legitimate response to terrorism. The USA was clearly attacked by Osama and Al-Qaeda so they responded with necessary force.

But, I'm just not sure why the USA is in Iraq. I have heard so many reasons from the Bush administration (ironic because they called Kerry a flip-flopper), and nearly all of them have proven to be a load of bullshit (WMDs, Saddam's connections to Al-Qaeda, etc.), so I just have no clue. I just don't know why. It seems to be similar to the crusades in terms of geographical area and religion, but I don't think it is about trying to convert them to Christianity, which was the theme of the crusades. I just don't know why Iraq was invaded, but with the increasing casualties and questions about the reasoning, I am just glad that my country is not a part of it (though I do hope that we can offer assistance in running the election).

Slow down Tonto! Why worry about ANYONE that expouses their faith, and it DOES NOT include killing non-beleivers?

That is the topic du jour. I dont care about Falwell, but he is not threatening to kill me just because I dont believe as he does.

Well, I am not worried about people who practice their faith. What I am worried about, though, is the radicals who try to kill and/or repress other religions, because I would not want to live in a theocracy of any religion (I am an atheist). I like secular government.

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Dr Guy

on Dec 26, 2004

Well, I am not worried about people who practice their faith. What I am worried about, though, is the radicals who try to kill and/or repress other religions, because I would not want to live in a theocracy of any religion (I am an atheist). I like secular government.

Ok, so who has? Sure the left clangs the alarm bell, but the simple truth is that no one has been forced to do anything against any beliefs. And for all the talk about how religious Bush is, has he promoted any religion?

Nope. If he where, it would be defeated anyway. But irregardless, the blatant fact is that no one other than some creeps in the mid east who think they are Muslim are calling for the death of any non-beleivers.

I would also caution you as you do seem reasonable. remember the Boy who cried Wolf? If you keep up this claxon on Bush when there is no movement there and no evidence, then people will stop listening. And should a real threat emerge. no one will listen then either.

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Dr Guy

on Dec 26, 2004

It was from 1187-1192 over 900 years ago. We learned better, what's their excuse?

Learning disability?

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drmiler

on Dec 26, 2004

Reply #34 By: latour999 - 12/26/2004 6:02:27 PM
It was from 1187-1192 over 900 years ago. We learned better, what's their excuse?

Or 2003-present.

I know! Let's all find the craziest, most fundamentalist, violent, stupid people of every religion, lock them up in a big room together, and see how many are left at the end of one week. Then cut off their water supply, and it's about 3 days until world peace. We can put security cameras in the room and show it on Pay Par View.

Can we just acknowledge that there are morons and assholes spread throughout every religion/country/ethnic group/political party, and not all say "Oh, this guy, who happens to be a _______ is an asshole because he _______, therefore all _______s are assholes." If we did that, everyone would be an asshole by association.

Or better yet, can't we all just get along?

Although I strongly agree with most of what you said. I'm not really sure about your opening remark. "Or 2003-present". Are you saying the christians are on another crusade?

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latour999

on Dec 26, 2004

Ok, so who has? Sure the left clangs the alarm bell, but the simple truth is that no one has been forced to do anything against any beliefs. And for all the talk about how religious Bush is, has he promoted any religion?

Well, I don't think Bush is that bad, except for gay marriage, which from my perspective seems to be an attempt to force his religious beliefs on those of the gay community. I was referring to all the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells and Osama Bin Ladens out there.

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greywar

on Dec 26, 2004

Hmm how did I miss this one getting resurrected?

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Dr Guy

on Dec 26, 2004

Well, I don't think Bush is that bad, except for gay marriage, which from my perspective seems to be an attempt to force his religious beliefs on those of the gay community. I was referring to all the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells and Osama Bin Ladens out there.

I think both are very hot on themselves, but as a conservative, I definitely dont support either of them or any attempt to 'religicize' the government. And I dont Buy Bush Lock stock and barrell.

I am going to be best man at my Brother's wedding in September in Massachutes. he lives in FLA. Get the picture? I have never been a blind follower!

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drmiler

on Dec 26, 2004

Reply #37 By: latour999 - 12/26/2004 6:29:09 PM
Although I strongly agree with most of what you said. I'm not really sure about your opening remark. "Or 2003-present". Are you saying the christians are on another crusade?

First off, I believe Afghanistan was a legitimate response to terrorism. The USA was clearly attacked by Osama and Al-Qaeda so they responded with necessary force.

But, I'm just not sure why the USA is in Iraq. I have heard so many reasons from the Bush administration (ironic because they called Kerry a flip-flopper), and nearly all of them have proven to be a load of bullshit (WMDs, Saddam's connections to Al-Qaeda, etc.), so I just have no clue. I just don't know why. It seems to be similar to the crusades in terms of geographical area and religion, but I don't think it is about trying to convert them to Christianity, which was the theme of the crusades. I just don't know why Iraq was invaded, but with the increasing casualties and questions about the reasoning, I am just glad that my country is not a part of it (though I do hope that we can offer assistance in running the election).

Your answer is a load of crap. I asked you did you believe the christian's are doing another crusade. Do you know you history? The crusades were fought to free the holy land (Jerusalem speciically) from non-christians IE: muslims. Now to equate what we're doing now to the crusades is CRAP! This is not a christian relgious war nor are we trying to free the holy land. Try again.

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whoman69

on Dec 26, 2004

There are a small minority of Muslims who may be in very important positions and are able to impression the less educated to follow them. They feed upon religious hatred. Now in this country we are trying to feed our own religious hatred. All Muslims are not evil. By stating that these evil people are in a majority and represent the Muslim faith, we empower them by giving them reasons why the people should hate Christians and Jews. Christian religious war or no, if we try to paint this as anti-Islamic, we are beginning that war.

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latour999

on Dec 27, 2004

Your answer is a load of crap. I asked you did you believe the christian's are doing another crusade. Do you know you history? The crusades were fought to free the holy land (Jerusalem speciically) from non-christians IE: muslims. Now to equate what we're doing now to the crusades is CRAP! This is not a christian relgious war nor are we trying to free the holy land. Try again.

First, the land that you refer to as the holy land for not only Christians but Muslims and Jews as well, so technically since each major religion has a claim to it, it wasn't really "freeing" anything. My answer stated that the only similarities that I know of are geographical area (the Middle East) and religions involved (the predominately Christian United States and the predominately Muslim Middle East). The rest of my answer was saying that I don't know why you are in Iraq. I am not saying that it is similar to the crusades in intent or goals, I was stating that it is in the same area, involves mostly the same religions, and is flawed and unwinnable at the present strategy. Pretty much the rest of what i have said was that I don't know. I don't know why Bush decided to invade Iraq. He flip-flopped on his reasons for going to war so much that he confused me. One week it was WMDs, the next it was Saddam's connection to Al-Qaeda. Was he trying to do the right thing? Was he duped? Was he stupid? Or did he have some sort of alterior motive, such as oil money? I just don't know. If having the bullshit of the Bush administration forced down my throat so much that I don't know why anymore is crap, then I am full of Bush's crap.