This is *not* a guide to internet dating!
Published on June 7, 2004 By greywar In Current Events

     Dharmagirl wrote a good series of articles recently regarding the dangers children face when using the Internet. Most people feel that their kids should be protected from online predators who are aggressively seeking these kids out. Well let me tell you something, the kids are hunting too.

     I am not sure at what point American girls became this needy. I have had an AOL account that I have used very infrequently over a few years (it is nice to have an email account that is not likely to go away or change) and on the rare occasions that I have logged onto AOL I have had some very odd encounters with people IM'ing me out of the blue. It was not until Dharma wrote her articles that I really analyzed all of them into something coherent and I had simply regarded them as a random series on events. Looking back though the pattern *leaps* out at me.

     We have convinced our teens that sexuality as expressed by "dating" is the most important thing on the earth.

     Let me be clear here, girls as young as 10 have IM'd me out of thin air asking the usual chat up standby "a/s/l?" (age/sex/location for the uninitiated). I never bother lying on AOL (what would be the point?) and so about 60% of these girls (90% of whom were aged 10-14) would simply disappear when they found out my age. This left about 20-40% of these very young girls *still* chatting me up even though they knew my age! What if it wasn't me they had been talking to? What if it was one of those guys over at pervertedjustice.com?

     Now I know that at least 25%-50% of these remaining "girls" were actually guys. As a long time netizen it is childishly simple for me to detect most homosexual males posing as women. So this leaves about 1/4 of these random IM's as legitimate teenage girls who were looking for an online "bf". (By the way, if you have a digital camera or webcam *anywhere* in your house I can guarantee that your teenage girl has used it at least once or more likely has figured out how to access it at will to get her picture online so don't delude yourself about that)

     Most of the time I would just tell these girls to leave off and go find someone their own age, as I am not much for online chat anyway. Once in a while I would engage them in a conversation about the dangers they were courting by talking to older men online though. The distressing thing was that most of these girls *already knew* the dangers involved but were so desperate to be able to say that they had a "bf" that they didn't care! Even more frightening was that these girls took the fact that I was warning them about older guys as a sign that I was "safe" and a "good guy". A pedophile with an ounce of intelligence would have had these poor, attention starved, sexually jumpstarted girls eating out the palm of their hand! This is one of the many reasons I don't frequent chat forums.

     At some point the Net, societal changes, and possibly even diet have rocketed girls into their sexually aware phase *far* ahead of their emotional development. Junior high and even grade school age girls are interacting with their peer groups based on pecking orders (popularity, dating, sexual experience) that were not used as social ladders by previous generations until *much later*. (In my case these things became paramount at around 15-16 years of age). These girls have no defenses yet. They are much too shy to actually "talk" with real boys their age so they have never had the personal experience of a male chatting them up in any manner necessary to get physical favors from them. Online this means they are a herd of lambs to the slaughter. Real life experience gives girls the chance to spot male flim-flam for what it is but these girls don't have that yet.

     I don't have a good solution to this problem or even a good starting place beyond draconian security measures for your child (which exact their own tolls). I guess the major point of all of these articles is that parents cannot afford to be technologically ignorant. The Net can *not* be a place the "your kid uses" and you do not. The Net is the 'hood of today and you need to be out there watching your kids in the same way you would if they were outside. The computer is not your fucking nanny.

 

 


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on Jun 07, 2004

girls as young as 10 have IM'd me out of thin air asking the usual chat up standby "a/s/l?" (age/sex/location for the uninitiated).

Thats what bothers me about perverted justice.  A lot of times the first lines of the chat sessions they post are deleted..because of yahoo's screw up, they say...I personally think it's because they initiated the conversation - and that can be considered entrapment.

I have an 11 1/2 y/o daughter, who constantly comes home from school complaining about her peers who are 'dating' boys and bragging that they kissed them, held hands with them etc.  WTF???  Who taught these kids that they need to pair-bond before they're out of puberty?!

You're also right about these kids having no defense against online predators.  They simply don't have the life-experience to be able to recognize when they're being manipulated, and they also don't have the appropriate skills to deal with it.

We simply cannot afford to let our children loose on the internet unattended.  Look at it like this:  if my child goes to play at someone elses house, I want to know the pertinent information: who the kid is, how my daughter knows them, where they live, their phone number, if the parents will be there and what time she will be back are all basics.  It's the same for the internet:  I want to know where she's going to be, what she's going to be doing there, and what time she'll be done.  If she doesn't like it and doesn't want to tell me, then she doesn't get to play (in either cyber or real-time).  Luckily that's never happened.

on Jun 07, 2004
I have an 11 1/2 y/o daughter, who constantly comes home from school complaining about her peers who are 'dating' boys and bragging that they kissed them, held hands with them etc. WTF??? Who taught these kids that they need to pair-bond before they're out of puberty?!


I know what you mean....I don't have it with my 11 yr old, who, thankfully, still thinks boys are "gross" ---but her 14 yr old sister is another story. We have had a constant battle over "boyfriends" since she was in 4th or 5th grade: Mom says no dating, period, until she's 16 (the same rule applied to older brother, btw), and she keeps telling me how "uncool" I am, since "everyone else" is dating already. And now, in junior high, I'm starting to hear things about sex, which is REALLY scary. I hate feeling like an overprotective parent, but I prefer that to the possible alternatives, that's for sure!!
on Jun 07, 2004

still thinks boys are "gross"

This is often simply the "public face" girls put on their sexualioty at this age. It is a whole nother story when they are anonymous and online I assure you.

on Jun 07, 2004

This is often simply the "public face" girls put on their sexualioty at this age

Yes, I've heard my daughter talking w/her friends about boys, who's hot, who's not...so I'm aware that she's looking at boys and taking an interest.  All the more reason to keep her away from chat programs.  I don't think that she's needy like that, but I'm sure most of the parents of these kids who are hitting up on strangers online don't think that their kids are needy either.

on Jun 07, 2004
Funny, and relevant, that you should post such an article. Right now I have in front of me a form from the public library that I need to sign to allow our daughter to "surf" the internet while there. She comes to work with me on Wednesday for Summer Rec programs and in between times when she gets bored helping me work she can hang out at the library which I can see from my office. I had thought I would sign it. But now I'm having second thoughts. Maybe I'll still sign it and just tell her no chatrooms. Maybe I'll just place her in seclusion until she's 30. *sigh*
on Jun 07, 2004
Most library access does not include the ability to use things like instant messenger or anything remotely liek that so I think it would probably be ok for her to use it.
on Jun 07, 2004
I think that a lot of these girls "looking for love in all the wrong places" don't have a significant father figure. Their dad's are busy at work or having affairs or are divorced and they see them only once in a while. Or even worse they never see their fathers at all. They need male love and attention. And fathers in our society today aren't giving them that. It's a vicious cycle. The sons of these fathers are learning that's the way to do things, and so their daughters are being neglected.

And then, even the few girls who have good fathers have so much peer pressure put on them to be like everyone else and "go out" with boys and get physical at such young ages. Influence is a huge thing and that's what they see all their friends doing.

"and she keeps telling me how "uncool" I am, since "everyone else" is dating already. And now, in junior high, I'm starting to hear things about sex, which is REALLY scary."

Exactly. Even if these bright girls are getting the love they need they need to feel "cool"... hey Poetmom, one day she'll thank you and realize just how cool you were to NOT let her get into that shit so young.

~Sarah
on Jun 07, 2004
the pressures placed onto young adult girls, ages 10-14 at least, are cruel and sadly a sign of our times. Girls who puke at 10 and sometimes younger. Where do they get that garbage from? Where? Well, FROM US! All of us. We buy into society with a vengeance. While some idiots whine about the word "God" being said in their schools, some 12 year old is 69ing with some guy in the storage room. We've become so ?complacent? about how we raise our children, and it never used to be like that. TV, internet, all that wonderful society-advancing technology is making kids grow up far too fast. From the 1st grader who points to his genitals and tells a girl to "suck on this"...<---taken from WWF(wrestling not wildlife), to the girl who dumps her newborn into a toilet before heading back into the prom dance, we're all to blame. I keep my kids away from cable TV, and we monitor what they watch otherwise. Actually, my kids know to turn off the TV when something 'bad' comes on. I would urge you all to rid your household of cable TV and I also urge you to toss the beer away and toss the junk food away and get of the couch and go outside to play with your kids. Keep them away from the videogames that make the US slaughter in Iraq look like a game of ping pong.
on Jun 07, 2004
This is often simply the "public face" girls put on their sexualioty at this age. It is a whole nother story when they are anonymous and online I assure you.


Maybe many girls, but not this particular one...I've heard her talking to both her older sister and to her best friend....she has zero interest in boys, which actually surprises me--but I'm not going to complain about it, that's for sure!!!

Maybe I'll still sign it and just tell her no chatrooms


JMO, but I wouldn't go that route. You can tell her that, but when she's knows you're not there to watch her, and she has the access, the temptation may be more than she can resist.

hey Poetmom, one day she'll thank you and realize just how cool you were to NOT let her get into that shit so young.


Sarah....that's what I keep telling myself when I have to tell her "no" about something yet again...

I would urge you all to rid your household of cable TV


We haven't had cable in our home in 8 yrs....but when their friends DO have cable, they still hear all about the "good shows" that they are missing out on, on a daily basis.

on Jun 07, 2004
it's up to you and your kids to realize the crap that they're missing is nothing of reality. Imagine how many murders on TV your kids have missed. Or how many worms some loser ate while trying to pimp themselves out for $50,000. Or the nice tits shown oh so nicely on the Wrestling garbage. There's nothing to miss, really.
on Jun 07, 2004

that make the US slaughter in Iraq

Stay on target.... Stay on target..... sigh....

on Jun 07, 2004
JMO, but I wouldn't go that route. You can tell her that, but when she's knows you're not there to watch her, and she has the access, the temptation may be more than she can resist.


I feel like in this particular situation if I told her "no chatrooms" she'd comply. The library is heavily supervised and the bank of computers is visable from the front desk. Now, if she was at home and the computer was in her room that might be a different story. Of course, at our house, the computer is in a common area anyway. Oh, and she doesn't use the internet at home either. She's more interested in her Harry Potter games when she plays computer.

At some point the Net, societal changes, and possibly even diet have rocketed girls into their sexually aware phase *far* ahead of their emotional development..


I would be interested in hearing more about the diet aspect here. What do you mean?
on Jun 07, 2004
Dang it, there's no option to edit your own comments? How do I fix that quote formatting thing? If there's no way then please forgive me for screwing it up. (I figured out how to fix my formatting error, but now I can't delete this post....please delete for me!! Again, apologies)
on Jun 07, 2004
the underage kids who got shitty in response to a warning bout the way in which they were jeopardizing themselves were the ones that used to really bother me most (one of the best reasons for a booter program altho sometimes just showing them their dns info was enough). the kids who latch on because they want someone to talk to and take the warning as a sign theyre safe are nearly as bad but sadder. youre right there.
on Jun 07, 2004
lol Greywar. Tried to slip through the radar. Peace.
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