This is *not* a guide to internet dating!
Published on June 7, 2004 By greywar In Current Events

     Dharmagirl wrote a good series of articles recently regarding the dangers children face when using the Internet. Most people feel that their kids should be protected from online predators who are aggressively seeking these kids out. Well let me tell you something, the kids are hunting too.

     I am not sure at what point American girls became this needy. I have had an AOL account that I have used very infrequently over a few years (it is nice to have an email account that is not likely to go away or change) and on the rare occasions that I have logged onto AOL I have had some very odd encounters with people IM'ing me out of the blue. It was not until Dharma wrote her articles that I really analyzed all of them into something coherent and I had simply regarded them as a random series on events. Looking back though the pattern *leaps* out at me.

     We have convinced our teens that sexuality as expressed by "dating" is the most important thing on the earth.

     Let me be clear here, girls as young as 10 have IM'd me out of thin air asking the usual chat up standby "a/s/l?" (age/sex/location for the uninitiated). I never bother lying on AOL (what would be the point?) and so about 60% of these girls (90% of whom were aged 10-14) would simply disappear when they found out my age. This left about 20-40% of these very young girls *still* chatting me up even though they knew my age! What if it wasn't me they had been talking to? What if it was one of those guys over at pervertedjustice.com?

     Now I know that at least 25%-50% of these remaining "girls" were actually guys. As a long time netizen it is childishly simple for me to detect most homosexual males posing as women. So this leaves about 1/4 of these random IM's as legitimate teenage girls who were looking for an online "bf". (By the way, if you have a digital camera or webcam *anywhere* in your house I can guarantee that your teenage girl has used it at least once or more likely has figured out how to access it at will to get her picture online so don't delude yourself about that)

     Most of the time I would just tell these girls to leave off and go find someone their own age, as I am not much for online chat anyway. Once in a while I would engage them in a conversation about the dangers they were courting by talking to older men online though. The distressing thing was that most of these girls *already knew* the dangers involved but were so desperate to be able to say that they had a "bf" that they didn't care! Even more frightening was that these girls took the fact that I was warning them about older guys as a sign that I was "safe" and a "good guy". A pedophile with an ounce of intelligence would have had these poor, attention starved, sexually jumpstarted girls eating out the palm of their hand! This is one of the many reasons I don't frequent chat forums.

     At some point the Net, societal changes, and possibly even diet have rocketed girls into their sexually aware phase *far* ahead of their emotional development. Junior high and even grade school age girls are interacting with their peer groups based on pecking orders (popularity, dating, sexual experience) that were not used as social ladders by previous generations until *much later*. (In my case these things became paramount at around 15-16 years of age). These girls have no defenses yet. They are much too shy to actually "talk" with real boys their age so they have never had the personal experience of a male chatting them up in any manner necessary to get physical favors from them. Online this means they are a herd of lambs to the slaughter. Real life experience gives girls the chance to spot male flim-flam for what it is but these girls don't have that yet.

     I don't have a good solution to this problem or even a good starting place beyond draconian security measures for your child (which exact their own tolls). I guess the major point of all of these articles is that parents cannot afford to be technologically ignorant. The Net can *not* be a place the "your kid uses" and you do not. The Net is the 'hood of today and you need to be out there watching your kids in the same way you would if they were outside. The computer is not your fucking nanny.

 

 


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on Jun 07, 2004
xtine - you can edit your comments if you access the article through the forums instead of through my blog...odd i know... The diet bit I was referring to is just some preliminary research into both the relationship between body weight and the onset of puberty and also the possible effects of eating hormone enhanced meats and food products....
on Jun 08, 2004
The computer is not your fucking nanny.



I agree with that!! Yet too many parents just don't care as long as the one eyed nanny keeps "them kids" quiet.
on Jun 08, 2004
Miki has probably come up with the most insightful comment thus far...

All we have to do is look at your Britney Spears (in her 'virginal' days) and MTV... covers of magazines and the empahsis on sexuality... The woman's liberation movement can be construed as the most harmful to the very generation they are trying to 'liberate'

I cant speak from a parents point of view - but I can say that I would be worried if I had a daughter in today's social climate...

You cant blame location or big city living for this kind of unsafe either - you only have to have a big chunk of electronics in your living room, whether it be a TV playing the latest raunchy video clip...

Of couse, Men are to blame for woman being in this predicament in the first place - so why should I bother, i will just say sorry, and move right along

BAM!!!



on Jun 08, 2004
This is a very good topic and many of the comments insightful and thoughtful. The more this topic is discussed the better.

Well folks its not just girls, boys at at this also. In addition the internet has opened the exposure to homo-sexual contact also. I have worked several cases where young boys were approached on line, developed a relationship, and met their attacker.

The IM, chat room, IRC area is a big unknown to most parents. Thats part of the problem. If parents knew more about the machines they are turning the children lose on they would know what and where to look for trouble signs. The biggest recommendation to parents (I am one) is to place the computer your child uses somewhere where you can see the screen when they are on-line. Also a web cam is OK only if they are using it and you the parent are watching and know the person they are IMing live with. I am currently in Singapore teachig thier National Police how to work on-line undercover and do these types of Investigations. More and more police are taking a pro-active role in this field, we just have been understaffed for so long it is taking us a while to get caught up. But we are trying. There are several US Federal Task forces in this area. Innocent Images is one and Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force is another. You can find more on them out on the web. They also take referal cases.

When I teach undercover Internet Chat we usally do a practical part where the class gets on-line and poses as teens. It is almost always the case where we are on no more than 30 secs when the students have people Iming them. We never go out and start a conversation, we just wait for them and trust me we don't have to wait long. Its also not very long before these people are sending live web cam shots to us and they have been told by the class that they are 14 or so and they still send web cam of themselves masterbating or worse. Its that bad, and that sad.

Here is a list of room names in the teen section of yahoo chat -

**SKINNY GIRLS WITH BIG BOOBS** http://c-h-r-i-s.net <--New STUFF free PORN 40 0 3
· *r*o*l*e*p*l*a*y* Welcome to My Room 40 0 2
· 12-15 yr old see boys jerk off girls must have cam to view. pic not enough 40 0 5
· 12-16 yrs old ONLY PLEASE Welcome to my room where everyone 12-16 is invited 40 0 4
· 13f and under Welcome to My Room 40 0 2
· 14-16 yr olds only!! Hello!! Welcome to the plce for teens ages 14-16 40 0 0
· 9~14/F to see Older Men Jackoff Girls c2c so I can see the looks on your face when I CUM!!! 40 0 7
· Bi_Curious_and_Bi_Sexual_Girls http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bi_Curious_and_Bi_Sexual_Girls/ 40 0 2
· Cute Chubby Chicks 14-18 Welcome to my room 40 0 7
· D@ddies for D@ughters Cum on in 40 0 3
· Family Sex Welcome to My Room 40 0 2
· GIRL'S JUDGE COCKS aking3000gt has a big cock view his cam 40 0 14
· Girls Like Older Men Best Play Nice 40 0 2
· Guys Ask Girls Anything POW! 40 13 1
· home alone horny teens welcome all bored home alone teens 40 0 1
· iHooYah Share 'n' Mirror GirLs2 iHooYah Webcam Viewer www.ihooyah.com 40 0 0
· Men 4 Boys Welcome to Chat 40 0 4
· Pic Room Calgary STILL Owns Your Asses!!! 40 0 2
· Share & Mirror Cam Girls Robs Rules: No PMs, No Adds, No Anons s 40 0 2
· Young girls want adult men chat and cam2cam 40 0 8
· ~HOTTEST GIRL'S ON CAM CONTEST If Ya Got It Flawnt It On Cam 40 0 2
· Black Boys N White Girls LaDeDa 39 0 4
· BoYs_4_BoYs HeY / WeL >-) CuM HaVe > FuN 8-X n StuFF >< 39 0 5
· CA$$ES POST ANYTHING 39 0 0
· Chubby Girls with BIG BOOBS come on in girls, dont be ashamed 39 0 4
· Dirty little cumsluts grunge_sk8_95s roomm 39 0 3

Sorry for the explict language but I didn't edit any of them, I wanted you to see them in all thier full glory. The three numbers that follow the names are the number of people in the room (40 is a full room) the second number is the number of people using voice chat, and the third number is the number of peole using web cams. Kind of eye opening isn't it. And I got to this in less than 2 minutes. How easy do you think this is for a kid? You think they don't know this is there?



You are right to be concerned and worried about our youth and your children. It makes me feel better knowing there are those people out there like some of you, who care enough to discuss and ask questions about this. I am open for questions and comments and thank greywar for starting this thread and his other one, where I posted statistics from a survey on this very subject done by the department of justice. If you request I will post it here also.



Hug your kid for me tonight since I can't hug mine, he's so far away. But we use live web cam to chat. Makes Dad not so homesick. He's only 5 so Mom helps him of course. He likes seeing himself on the "puter". That is one good use of webcams, keeping in touch with family. We also "see" his Nanna (grandmother) that way. She loves it and can see him growing. I can't wait to get home, being half way around the world sucks sometimes, but I am glad I am here to teach other officers how to do this, means that many less criminals out there praying on kids.
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