Pointing Out Threats = Fearmongering?

Don't point to that danger! You are fearmongering!

Published on January 9, 2007 By greywar In Politics

I wonder if sheepherders in Anatolia ever had to deal with being accused of fearmongering against wolves?

Grey the Shepherd "Hey Bobby! That Wolf is getting real close to your sheep! Looks mighty hungry too!"

Bobby the P.C. Shepherd : "Shut up Grey, you're just rascist against Wolves! Most Wolves don't kill sheep, they just live peacfully in the forest in harmony with nature! I've had enough of your fearmongering ways. Its not enough for you that Moderate Wolves live in peace, you wan them to condemn being a Wolf!"

Grey : "Heck I'd just like to see the Wolves say that killing sheep is wrong and that the Wolves who do should be condemned."

Bobby : "Racism! Fearmonger!"

Grey : "Sigh..."

I suppose linking to this article from The People.uk is also rascist fearmongering but here it is anyways (emphasis mine):

"A FRESH wave of British-born extremist Muslim clerics is whipping up hatred against their own country on the internet.

These men - who dream of seeing the black flag of Islam flying over 10 Downing Street - were filmed spouting vile messages of fanaticism and violence in sermons in mosques and community centres in Britain.

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The anti-British or pro-terrorist rants are often mixed in with talks about legitimate Islamic topics.

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A young cleric called ABU MUWAHID, who appears frequently in clips, lavishes praise on the 9/11 attackers in a talk about prayer.

He says the "fantastic, fabulous, magnificent - whatever word you prefer, whatever word suits you, but any word of praise - soldiers destroyed the two idols of today." (I prefer the words "dead" and "terrorist"- GW)

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He brands Muslims who are not prepared to fight as hypocrites who will go to hell. "They have no intention to conquer...or to bring the black flag over 10 Downing Street," says Muwahid. (I told you Moderates that you are next on their list - GW)

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"We do not like non-Muslims. We are required not to like them because they reject Allah and his messengers."

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To cheers from his audience, he promises: "One day the black flag of Islam is going to be over 10 Downing Street, whether Tony Blair likes it or not."

It is terrible of me to point things like this out put since the organization who spoke out for the Flying Imams (CAIR) can't seem to actually condemn terror organizations I don't feel too bad about it.

Moderate Muslims : You don't have to denounce Islam, but denouncing terror and killing (even if the people killed are Jews) is a pretty basic requirement if you want anyone but the ACLU to take you seriously. Even Barbara Boxer gets that part.

Additionally it seems that I am not supposed to point out stories regarding Muslims unless I am pointing out stories about people of other religions committing acts of terror as well. Please post any links you have of current news involving people of other religions: decrying the need to "raise the flag" of their religion over nations, establishing "states with a state", flying planes into buildings, bombing subways, or strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up buses and cafes.

I already know the KKK does the first two and I condemn them roundly, wholeheartedly, and think them revolting criminals. Ditto for morons who blow up abortion clinics and shoot at physicians. Follow up with others and I will discuss them even though they have already been thoroughly ostracized from their respective community support networks in a very satisfying Hobbesian/Lockean action.

Please refrain from anything more than a few years old. I must be missing the current string of terror attacks from Buddists, Confucians, Shintoists, Wiccans, and Christians (yes I have heard of the Crusades, keep it in the current century at least if not the last decade).

Comments (Page 4)

bakerstreet

on Jan 10, 2007

So to address the blog title, pointing out threats is fine. Mischaracterizing threats just vilifies the wrong people, and hands valuable propaganda to the REAL terrorists to say that we aren't really at war with terrorism, but Islam as a whole. The last thing we need to do is give moderate, peaceful Muslims the idea they have something to fear from us.

All that does is make the pretests of the real hateful people in the Middle East seem more valid, and their cause seem more just. Without them, the Muslims here have no cause. Why give them one?

American Christians, on their own, without help or influence from anyone else's social and political problems, decided to blow up abortion clinics. Show me American Muslims deciding on their own, with no influence from Middle East politics, without Middle Eastern handlers, to blow anyone up.

bakerstreet

on Jan 10, 2007

Here's another point:

People don't look at what happened in Northern Ireland between Protestants and Catholics and say that the two religions are violent and a threat. Why? Because the problem can be traced directly to the social and political situation there, not the religion. We weren't blowing each other up here, right?

Yet, Muslims unconnected with Middle East problems haven't been killing people here, yet we just assume the cause of the violence is Islam, and not the problems in the Middle East. That shows our bias.

Catholic and protestant terrorists in Ireland claim to be working in the name of religion, and we know better. Muslim terrorists claim to be working in the name of religion, and we overlook the obvious and believe them. I wonder why...

adnauseam

on Jan 10, 2007

{Baker: WE DONT HAVE ISLAMIC TERROR}

An interesting, worthy debate. BRITAIN DOES HAVE ISLAMIC TERROR and it is homegrown. Could any of you explain why this is? Is it because many UK Muslims have close ties with Pakistan? Would be interesting to hear some theories

bakerstreet

on Jan 10, 2007

"
An interesting, worthy debate. BRITAIN DOES HAVE ISLAMIC TERROR and it is homegrown."

It's my understanding that it is not homegrown. Just like the nut Jose Padilla here, your terrorists were recruited and indoctrinated by the same old cast of characters and their minions. My point is, why don't Muslims come to these conclusions ON THEIR OWN if the problem is Islam?

Wouldn't all you need be Islam, if Islam is the problem? Why do we always seem to need contact with the Middle East and terror's central asian strongholds?

bakerstreet

on Jan 10, 2007

Re: London bombing:

"Alleged accomplices

* Magdi Asdi el-Nashar: renter of a house where explosives were found; an Egyptian-born biochemistry lecturer who has disappeared
* Ejaz Fiaz (also named as Eliaz Fiaz): possible co-conspirator, in his early thirties, from Beeston, Leeds. Initially thought to have been the suicide bomber on the Piccadilly Line train.
* Unnamed co-conspirator: an Al Qaeda operative believed to be the bomb-maker and cell organizer, described as a Pakistani in his 30s, who entered Britain through a port some time in June 2005, and left the country on 6 July.
* Mustafa Setmariam Nasar: suspected planner also believed to have organized the 11 March 2004 Madrid bombings."

Same old cast of characters and their minions.

greywar

on Jan 10, 2007

An interesting, worthy debate. BRITAIN DOES HAVE ISLAMIC TERROR and it is homegrown. Could any of you explain why this is?

Fair question but I will probably trry and tackle it in another post as this one has become long and rambly already (not to mention the oncoming staleness of the thread). I will probably also wait until I have posted some rticles on other themse as this one grows monotonous even to me.

Moderateman

on Jan 10, 2007

The facts are around 90 or so out of every 100 acts of terror are committed by Muslims, it does not make anyone a racists or a bigot to point this simple fact out.

Why all the fuss?

Sean Conners aka SConn1

on Jan 11, 2007

still no word on the mafia, eh?

and i found this lil tidbit on the web,,,,interesting how this isn't considered terrorism in Iowa...

Man rams car into women’s clinic in Davenport

ASSOCIATED PRESS

September 12, 2006

Davenport, Ia. — A man accused of ramming his car into a women’s clinic and then setting his car on fire thought it was an abortion clinic, police said Tuesday.

“He was using his car to torch the building,” Davenport police Detective Mike Bowers said.

David Robert McMenemy, 45, of Sterling Heights, Mich., is charged with second-degree arson. He’s accused of driving his car into the Edgerton Women’s Health Center about 4:30 a.m. on Monday.

The center does not perform abortions and does not provide abortion referrals, said Tom Fedje, the president of the clinic. He said the clinic does advise pregnant women on the various options available to them.

Planned Parenthood of Greater Iowa is monitoring the incident, spokeswoman Kathi Di Nicola said. Planned Parenthood is the only agency to provide abortions in the Quad Cities, performing the procedure at its center in Bettendorf.

Bowers said McMenemy apparently thought the Edgerton center performed abortions.

“He drove into the clinic and set his car on fire using an accelerant. He knew what he was doing. He planned it. It wasn’t an accident,” Bowers said.

Bowers said McMenemy has no ties to the Davenport area, and has been driving around the Midwest since August.

“He has admitted looking them (abortion clinics) up in phone books and online,” Bowers said. “I have no idea why Iowa.”

The small car traveled through a parking lot, over the center’s driveway and through the glass double-doors at the entrance to the lobby.

The driver walked out of the building and approached firefighters, saying he wanted to talk, officials said.

Bowers estimated damage to the building at more than $20,000. No one was in the building at the time, and McMenemy was not injured.

McMenemy remained in the Scott County jail on Tuesday. No bond was set, officials said. (end of story)

Since the original story was published the charges have been upped to “committing arson against a business affecting interstate commerce”. Which carries a charge of between 5 and 20 years as well as a fine

no terrorism charges? hmmmmmmm

greywar

on Jan 11, 2007

no terrorism charges? hmmmmmmm

There should be.

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