Published on September 29, 2005 By greywar In Politics

I came across this over at J. Lileks outstanding ScreedBlog, There is a lot more to it so go read it. An excerpt:

 

At some point the adamantine skulls of the rally organizers might be penetrated by the realization that the “anti-war” cause is not served by letting the death-to-Israel crowd trot alongside, or diluting the message with a million other complaints. Middle America might have legitimate gripes with the Administration’s war policy, but they’re disinclined to side with hairy people who paint Bush as Hitler with dripping fangs. It’s like holding a rally for lower taxes and inviting the Klan: doesn’t broaden the base.

Consider the signage provided by ANSWER, an association of sclerotic collectivists, spotty anarchists and Juche enthusiasts: “US Out of Iraq, Haiti, Afghanistan, Korea, Philippines, Colombia, Cuba!” Yes, Haiti! No blood for – for whatever they have. Skinny chickens. No blood for Gristly Poultry! Of course, it goes without saying that ANSWER would want the US out of Afghanistan; they didn’t want the Taliban overthrown in the first place, especially if the US Imperial War Machine did the overthrowing. Better to let the Taliban drop stones on gays than give Bush something to smirk about.

 

I wish I had said it first but props to Lileks.

 


 

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on Sep 29, 2005
Right on.
on Sep 29, 2005
It is amazing that protest organizers allow this to on at all. They must think that numbers of protestors are more important than the dilution of the message.
on Sep 29, 2005
They (the death-to-Israel crowd) could be like the John 3:16 guy at the football game. No body invited them, they just found out about the protest and wanted in.

The problem the organizers have is if they include them, they get slammed by the right for being either radical or looney. If they exclude them, they will get slammed by the right as being against free speech and other "american values".

They take a hit either way.

IG
on Sep 29, 2005

May I cross post this to another site?  it is dynomite!

on Sep 29, 2005

If they exclude them, they will get slammed by the right as being against free speech and other "american values".

Frankly I think a left wing spokesman would gain wads of credibility with mainstream America by standing up and outright saying that they want to exclude these folks from protests that they are orgainizing and getting permits for.

May I cross post this to another site? it is dynomite!

sure, just credit Lileks with it not me.

on Sep 29, 2005

sure, just credit Lileks with it not me.

Will do.

on Sep 29, 2005
Show me your friends and I'll show you your future.

The organizers don't reject them because they do not disagree with them... Even if much of the rank and file war protester might.

I wonder if you took out all the people in Washington last weekend who had reasons other than the war to be there, how much smaller would their demonstration had been?
on Sep 29, 2005
They take a hit either way.


I agree, just like you'll find a lot of gun nut militia members alongside those who simply just want to preserve the right to bear arms. It would definitely strengthen the NRA if they got rid of guys who have their trucks covered in confederate flags, but the Left throws them all into one pile. The right does the same in these instances, people get really tired of having others speak for them though, which is why it's probably unfair to judge any group as a whole, but that's probably unavoidable, you've got your crazys in every politically motivated group trying to push the agenda a step further in either direction than the moderates in the same group.

People with strong convictions often take advantage of others with strong convictions who want to be heard. "fuck bush" signs don't sway anyone, and neither do "support the troops" bumper stickers, I'm not saying they're on the same level of ineffectiveness, but you get the idea. Anarchist protestors will show up at any rally that seems to be anti american and try to give others the impression that they feel the same way they do. But most (99.999999% probably) of anti war protesters aren't anarchists...they are very much in favor of perserving government, they just want to change the way their government is currently behaving.

Peace,
Suspeckted
on Sep 29, 2005

I agree, just like you'll find a lot of gun nut militia members alongside those who simply just want to preserve the right to bear arms. It would definitely strengthen the NRA if they got rid of guys who have their trucks covered in confederate flags, but the Left throws them all into one pile.

The problem is, the left non-nuts (we would hope) embrace their loons.  The right ostracize them.  Name the number of people that supported Pat Robertson's assassination attempt?

And where was Michael Moore at the DNC?

See your brain?  See it on the DNC?

on Sep 29, 2005
Michael Moore was at the RNC.

How can you say that the left embraces their loons and the right doesn't? How else do you explain that schools may have to teach children about "intelligent design" in biology? I'm not trying to highjack the thread, just an example. The Left does not embrace anarchists just like the right doesn't embrace those from the constitution party. Now as many know on Joe User, I am a bit of a loon myself and I don't feel embraced at all by the Left....in fact, I think they're pissed off at me, and that's fine by me.
on Sep 29, 2005

Michael Moore was at the RNC.

As a guest?  lame Suspect!  Very lame!  He had a press pass.  So how did he get to kowtow with Carter?  Brown lips?  Ok, on whose part?

Lame.  But I understand.  You really are stretching and want to have an anchor.  Shame your side is tying it around your neck.

on Sep 29, 2005

Michael Moore was at the RNC.

They sure didn't have him seated they way they did at the DNC.

on Sep 29, 2005
Michael Moore was at the RNC.


He was AT the RNC... but he was HONORED at the DNC. Honored for doing nothing but proving that even a self avowed socialist is better off living a capitalist lifestyle. ;~D
on Sep 30, 2005
As a guest? lame Suspect! Very lame! He had a press pass. So how did he get to kowtow with Carter? Brown lips? Ok, on whose part?Lame. But I understand. You really are stretching and want to have an anchor. Shame your side is tying it around your neck.


simple statement of fact, and it was a speaker at the RNC who mentioned Moore in his speech only to have everyone look up and jeer at him with all the cameras on him. I don't respect a lot of Michael Moore's stuff, but really the Repubs gave him all the attention at that point, and as pointed out on The Daily Show "no, don't show Michael Moore, he hates attention, look away republicans, look away!"

Lame. But I understand. You really are stretching and want to have an anchor. Shame your side is tying it around your neck.


Time for me to point out again that I'm not a democrat, never have been, and probably never will. But these strong words aren't necessary Dr. Guy. At least Michael Moore makes people think whether they agree with him or not.
on Sep 30, 2005

At least Michael Moore makes people think whether they agree with him or not.

So if I lie through my teeth, but make you think, then I can be excused for my transgressions?

For the record, I am not calling you a democrat (and if you got the inferance, I appologize).  I am saying you are a liberal.  An honest one, and a respectable one.  And there is no shame in that.  But the liberal leadership is saddling you with baggage that you should not have to carry, but must due to the very reason you stated above.  No matter the crime, as long as you are on our side, you must be ok.

I am glad I dont have to stomach Pat Robertson that way (and I am not a republican either).

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