(Sorry, Don't Know Kurdish)
Published on November 16, 2004 By greywar In Politics

     On the way to work this morning at around 4 am I heard a leader of the PUK (Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (Hi Sam!)) giving an interview to a BBC pool reporter on NPR. He was discussing the recent influx of Mujahideen into Mosul and the effect it has had on the city and it's local defenders.

     The effect? Namely running away in droves. The police (who were already known to be riddled with Muj supporters) either turned tail and ran or turned coat and stayed. The Iraqi National Guard fared little better.

     Upon gaining such easy access to the city the Mujs turned their attentions toward the offices and outpost of the PUK and PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party (communists)) The Mujs found that these were much harder targets and had little sucess against any PUK or PKK holdings. The BBC interviewer asked why the Peshmerga (PUK (rough translation "Ready to Die")) had not engaged in a counter offensive and driven off or killed the Mujs? The man's answer was that the Iraqi Interim Government (IIG) and the US had asked the PUK to stand down from combat operations as they were indistinguishable from the enemy because they were largely composed of irregulars.

     While this may be partly true another large part of the governments reluctance to utilize the PKK (which effectively pacified the north within 2 days after we crossed the Kuwaiti border) is that the US and the IIG have been very wary of promoting the idea that there is an independant Kurdish state. Fuck this, the fact of the matter is that Northern Iraq is going to default to being Kurdistan. Get used to it. The only thing in some doubt is whether it will be part of a larger federation of Iraqi provinces or a totally seperate entity. This has massive repercussion for Turkey, Syria, and Iran as much of their bordering region with Iraq are overwhlmingly Kurd. Should Kurdistan stand up on it's own withint the borders of Iraq it is simply a matter of time before a few of these 3 surrounding nations face the loss of bits of territory as well. The Kurds I have met are fiercely patriotic and they don't fuck around. If Jalal Talabani decides that the Peshmerga are going to take a chunk out of Turkey's ass then Turkey better find a good antiseptic and a large ass-bandage.

     As you probably inferred from the title of this article I don't give two shits what Turkey (bet you wish you had let us use Incirlik now huh?), Syria, or The Mad Mullahs think about it. If anyone has demonstrated an ability and a right to self governance in the Middle East it is the Kurds. Mainly Muslim they do not engage in the self-destructive fuckery of the Paleswinians nor do they make exorbitant demands on the USA (a close ally). These folks just want to stand on their own two feet and provide a home for their people. I say their conduct has given them a pass to do so. What say you? 

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on Nov 16, 2004
VIva el Kurdistani!
on Nov 16, 2004
Indeed, long live the Kurdish Fighters and Chaldeans!!
on Nov 16, 2004

live the Kurdish Fighters and Chaldeans!!

Glad to see you remembered our other friends in the region as well

on Nov 17, 2004
I've long felt that Kurdistan should be welcomed into the international community of independent states. And I don't see why Turkey et al are so determined to rule parts of it. Britain learned long ago, and has the perfect policy in this matter when it comes to their territories... if they want to go, let 'em go! Or, as Princess Leah so eloquently put it, "The more you tighten your grip... the more starsystems will slip through your fingers."
on Nov 17, 2004
Kemimas - I think the difference between the British Empire and, say, Turkish control over Kurdish lands is that Britain wasn't *right next to the people they were controlling*. As nice as the Kurds in northern Iraq are to the US, I don't think they're that kind to some people in Turkey...
I've thought about Kurdistan for a bit, casually, as I while the time at work. I'm certain that it would make the Kurds happy. It would give the US a solid ally in the region. But would it destroy any other alliances that we currently hold, or debilitate our diplomatic options in the future? Some may say that we, the strongest nation on the planet, don't need such things as diplomacy, but it would be a nice option, right?
on Nov 17, 2004
But would it destroy any other alliances that we currently hold


Like who? And don't say Israel.
on Nov 18, 2004
Pseudo - Yes, there is a geographical difference... all the more reason for Turkey, for example, to be gracious and extend the best of will toward their new neighbors to the east. With Kurdistan rising, the neighboring countries can either make nice, or they can make enemies. I'm guessing that making nice will be alot less costly in the long run. Oh, hey, look! I think hell is freezing over...
on Nov 18, 2004

These folks just want to stand on their own two feet and provide a home for their people. I say their conduct has given them a pass to do so. What say you


ive been wondering how long it was gonna be til the administration slipped it to the kurds again...hoping it wouldnt happen, but guessing it will.   i believe thats the 2nd time in about a week the insurgents have made the mistake of thinking they could go up against the puk isnt it?  like last friday or saturday? 


in any event, when i saw your title i thought you were advocating humus n tamales instead of the standard holiday dinner fare.

on Nov 18, 2004
I think if we supported them, the Kurds would be the ally in the region that we say we want Iraq to be. Poof! No muss, no fuss. Don't know why we are fighting it so hard.
on Nov 18, 2004
But would it destroy any other alliances that we currently holdLike who? And don't say Israel.


Actually, I was thinking the carefully balanced relations we have with Jordan and Saudi Arabia... and Iraq, even. Let's see, we carve up what will be most definitely called *ARAB* lands, and hand it to non-Arabs. On the north side, we yank land from Turkey (who have prevaricated about their real feelings for us at various times) and hand it to a people that they have kept a hard line against for years. (There are, of course, no Kurds in Turkey. Only Turks of Kurdish descent. [/Turkish double speak])

Please don't get me wrong here. I love to see rewards go to people who deserve them. I'm just not sure that this is really ours to give as a reward. (We could just declare it so, like taking a toy from a child and giving it to a different child. But the first child may very well strike out at the second one, and possibly even at us...)
on Nov 18, 2004
Though besides ousting Saddam, why do the Kurds love us so?
I mean we have given them the raw end of the deal in the past...like setting them up for failure after Desert Storm...I admire them for standing by us, despite our troubled relationship.
on Nov 21, 2004
The Kurds have petitioned the US to help them form their own state since Woodrow Wilson was the go-to guy...
Take what you will from that factoid.