Perhaps that is because we were not there to steal oil?
Published on June 9, 2004 By greywar In Politics

     Here I will post something from todays Wahington Post. I doubt this will see much light of day fromt he even coverage of CNN, ABC, or The Grey Lady.

     I dare the twits on this very site who screamed to the electronic heavens about our "illegal war for oil!" to either come on and tell me this article is a fabrication of the VRWC or even more stupefyingly actually offer a retraction. Wonder which of these two options will get the most takers? Hmm...

Washington Times
June 9, 2004
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Iraqis Assume Control Of Oil Industry

From combined dispatches

BAGHDAD — Iraqi officials said yesterday that the interim government has assumed full control of the country's oil industry before the June 30 turnover of sovereignty from the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority.

"Today, the most important natural resource has been returned to Iraqis to serve all Iraqis," Prime Minister Iyad Allawi said. "I'm pleased to announce that full sovereignty and full control on oil industry has been handed over to the oil ministry today and to the new Iraqi government as of today."

"We are totally now in control, there are no more advisers," Mr. Ghadban said. "We are running the show, the oil policies will be implemented 100 percent by Iraqis." (all emphases mine -ed.)

The full story is only here right now and you need access to AKO to get there so the civvies wil simply have to wait a bit longer to read it for themselves.

     I suppose the butthelmets will have to find a new reason to harp on now. Thankfully there is no shortage of tinfoil or asshats.


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on Jun 09, 2004
I have little reply to this other than how funny the last line is. Ha Ha!

I wish I had a butthelmet.

-suspeckted
on Jun 09, 2004

I think the answer is obvious. Bush has implanted his own mind into the bodies of Iraqi leaders, so in actuality, he still has total control. His evil genius ways know no bounds!


Speaking of which, Bush is such an unintelligent doofus!


Seriously though, kudos to America for proving the conspiracy theorists wrong again and doing something good for the Iraqis!

on Jun 09, 2004
lmao. Then explain why Halliburton trucks are shipping gasoline into Iraq for its sake to Iraqis for 5 cents per gallon.
on Jun 09, 2004
IT'S A TRICK I TELL YOU, IT'S A TRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been saying all along that oil had nothing to do with this. I have a few friends that now owe me a beer or twelve. I made a bet with them that the Iraqis would have control over their oil resources before the end of summer. SUCKERS!
on Jun 09, 2004
It won't change any minds.

The people who complained that it was "all about oil" will argue that since the US controls the Iraqi government, and the Iraqi government controls the oil, then really, the US controls the oil.

(Let me emphasize that I do not agree with this people.)
on Jun 09, 2004
since the US controls the Iraqi government, and the Iraqi government controls the oil, then really, the US controls the oil.


That's supposed to be a secret. shhhhhhhhh
on Jun 09, 2004
shouldn't joke Mason.
on Jun 09, 2004
No?????
on Jun 09, 2004
I don't think there is a person alive that believes there is 100% control . The entire rig appartratus fell apart after Saddie weathered 11 years of sanctions. There are two ways to look at oil production. Proven reserves where we can see X many supertankers line up daily and take out a consistant amount of oil. The other way is to estimate how much oil is still remaining in the ground. Iraq has alot of oil, but very little pumping ability anymore.

Moreover, I am confident enough to stick my neck out and say there is as much oil sitting in the ground as what is left in ALL of Saudi if not more. But say for the sake of arguement the rigs never get fixed and production never takes off. One still needs the real estate to build a pipeline long enough to get the oil out of the Caspean Sea and into a middle east docking port. Draw a line, and you will see that it is necessary run a pipeline through Iraq to get it out to sea.

Now it is one thing to rely on some Saudi promises on increased production but do you really think the increase will see the light of day with the attacks on the pipeline? The situation is not in the control of the americans. They can neither monitor nor enforce safety measures because they are not there! This is the reasoning for occupation. To have a military presence on large untapped fields.

If Saudi starts drying up for whatever reason, it will become critical to find another supply. Iran sell to China not to the US. South america sales have been on the decline. Canada's athabaska sand basin requires additional refining and is unprofitable under 30 bucks a barrel. That leaves the caspian sea where both China and India are competing for the same oil. Domestically we are consuming right now from 3 sources: texas crude/gulf of mexico/and the Canada's sand basin. That's it.

Being in Iraq is a necessity for a continued american economy - without cheap transports things fail miserably.
on Jun 09, 2004
Then explain why Halliburton trucks are shipping gasoline into Iraq for its sake to Iraqis for 5 cents per gallon.


Because there are hardly any if any refineries in Iraq.

George Bush was so evil, he got KBR contracts with the army before he was even born.
on Jun 09, 2004
Oh, haven't you heard the newest reports? Bush is an complete idiot and fiscally irresponsible.....he hasn't figured out how to pay for this *outlandish* war. I kid you not, "Maybe he should have looked to the oil..." They seem to have a very short term memory when they are wrong.
on Jun 09, 2004

Then explain why Halliburton trucks are shipping gasoline into Iraq for its sake to Iraqis for 5 cents per gallon.

Refineries. Remove tinfoil hats and discuss. Enjoy.

on Jun 09, 2004
Remove tinfoil hats


NEVER!!!!!!
on Jun 10, 2004
Greywar,

To say that we fought this war to "Steal Oil" is obviously a gross oversimplification, just as saying we did it to "protect america" is an overstatement. That does not mean that it had nothing to do with oil. All of our middle east foreign policies are at least partially designed to maintain our access to both the supply of oil and the equipment and services markets served by our oil companies.

That is to say, we didn't invade Iraq to take it's oil, we invaded Iraq to regain favorable market position to purchase Iraqi oil, and to ensure access to the sizable market for our oil industry service companies.

If you look at the major oil producing countries in the region, and split them up into those countries we have allied ourselves with, and those we have traditionally taken a more beligerent stance towards, you'd come up with these two groups:

Countries We Like:
Saudi Arabia
Kuwait
UAE
Oman
Egypt

Countries we don't like:
Iraq (pre-invasion)
Iran
Syria
Lybia

What do the first group of countries have that the second group does not? They are certainly no more democratic, Egypt is in theory, but is really an autocracy. They are no more "free", the range of personal freedoms enjoyed in Syrai and Iran are certainly greater than those in Saudi Arabia. They are not any less supportive of terrorism, for that matter. So, why do we like the first group, and not the second group?

The one common denominator, is the openess of each countries' oil industry to investment (control) from US companies, and the favorable export arrangements that our "friends" give us when selling us crude.

So, while it is incorrect to say that we invaded Iraq to steal their oil, there is no doubt that one of the major reasons we did invade was to force open their oil industry to American companies and consumers.
on Jun 10, 2004

favorable market position to purchase Iraqi oil,

We were in the perfect market position to but oil from Iraq pre-ar. In fact we held all the keys to allowing Iraq to sell oil *at all*. There was no need to "force" their oil market open as you say because *we* were the ones keeping them from selling any! While I apreciate your comment the logic simply holds no water.

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