Glenn Beck Was Wrong
Published on April 21, 2004 By greywar In Politics
Glenn Beck Was Wrong

Glenn Beck Was Wrong

 

(Disclaimer : These are my personal views only and in no way represent the US Army’s official position.)

 

            I spend a little bit of time each day listening to one or more talk radio hosts on my computer or in my car. One of my favorite hosts is Glenn Beck. I find his lack of pretension refreshing most days and also find his less-than-perfect background to be a realistic backdrop for many social debates.  All that being said, one area I find myself in disagreement with him on is the motivation many enlistees have for joining the Army.

            Glenn seems to believe that the overwhelming majority of soldier enlist for patriotic reasons. I assure you that from my experience, this is not the case. Glenn had a caller who refuted this claim saying instead that he and the other minority soldiers he had spoken with during his enlistment had in fact joined solely for the economic benefits and “only tolerate this country, we don’t love it.” Now apart from the appalling moral bankruptcy that this caller obviously suffers from it had to take a bit of sack to come on a nationally syndicated radio program and say this (that’s is all the credit he gets though).

            I can speak only from my experience but I was shocked by the numbers of soldiers who had enlisted with me way back in 1992 who joined simply for the “college fund” or to escape bad situations at home. Some of these folks not only did not and do not love this country but actively despise it. Don’t get me wrong, these soldiers are not the majority in the Army, but they are a significant minority.

            Glenn’s caller was also mistaken on one other point in my opinion. He thought that only the white folks in the military joined for ideological reasons and that the mercenary types were the minority soldiers. (the caller identified himself as a black man). I have to say that this is a falsehood. There are just as many white kids joining the military for all the wrong reasons as there are minorities. For many white soldiers enlistment is an easy way to a college education or just as frequently a way to get away from the angst they suffer as middle class teenagers. I will say that perhaps a larger percentage of some minority groups have a third reason besides the aforementioned to enlist namely severe economic hardship, but I do not believe that the percentage of unpatriotic minorities exceeds that of white non-patriots.

            For years the Army’s primary method of enticing young people fresh from high school or college has been to use various monetary or education benefits as the main bait. Therefore it should not come as a surprise that the campaign did not only bring in Pollyanna Chevrolet and Billy Allamerican but also Johhny Collegebuck and Mikey Cantfindajob.

            9-11 may have brought a shift in the enlistment totals as it energized a segment of the patriotic population who might otherwise have never enlisted but that statistical anomaly had been in rapid decline until the start of combat in Iraq.

            Combat in Iraq has been a bit of a watershed for the patriotic troops in the military. It has allowed the true colors of the folks who do not love this nation to shine trough in the clear light of their own fucking cowardice. There are lots of soldiers who would have stayed in the military for the easy money and the non-demanding jobs who are now diving out as fast as they can. Fine, don’t let the door hit you on the ass. This is a good thing. The military has been tremendously diluted by stream of people who joined up in one of the longest peaceful periods the world has ever known. Since the Vietnam War American politicians have been so gunshy about putting large number of American troops anywhere near harms way that the 80% of the Army who never saw action or anything like it in Operations Just Cause, Desert Storm, Enduring freedom, or Iraqi Freedom came to believe that they never would be called upon to do their duty in combat conditions.

            This situation has only been exacerbated by a long-string of perfumed princes who have occupied the highest of military offices (not you Colin, we liked you). This breed of “leader” couldn’t find anything of substance that needed revamping in the entire US Army. Their vision of sweeping change never got farther than giving us a new fucking hat or similar meaningless tweaks.

            Glenn, I wish you were right. I wish that the military was populated only by the segment of our population that is at least *somewhat* motivated by love of country (I don’t think they all need to be Captain America or anything). I wish that there weren’t a larger number of soldiers who were not ready to drop their weapon at the first bit of trouble and leave their comrades to bear the burden of fighting (Yes you Jessica you little ninny). But Glenn, it just ain’t so. Heinlein’s vision of the soldiery has not been true since the 50’s and is unlikely to be so ever again, but it is not a minority thin, it is a culture thing and that’s a shame.

 

 


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on Apr 21, 2004
For those of you ETS'ing or who have ETS'd from the military for your own reasons but sho do love this country, don't get upset! I am not talking about you. Re-enlistment is not the only yardstick of a persons patriotism.
on Apr 21, 2004
There are lots of soldiers who would have stayed in the military for the easy money and the non-demanding jobs who are now diving out as fast as they can. Fine, don’t let the door hit you on the ass.

Yep..I don't want that kind of person covering my husband's or anyone elses ass in a combat situation.

I said it before, and I'll say it again...I don't know what people expect when they enlist. You'd have to be blind or stupid to sign on the dotted line and NOT expect to have to go into combat in today's world....I have no time for whiners who are 'scared', and those who 'just want to come home'. YOU signed up voluntarily, no-one forced you.
on Apr 21, 2004
I agree Dharma, I also don't think the culture of "Come on in the money is fine.." that the Army likes to sell should continue either.
on Apr 21, 2004
I joined because I firmly believe that politicians ought to have a military backgroud...
on Apr 21, 2004

Reply #3 By: greywar - 4/21/2004 1:02:02 PM
I agree Dharma, I also don't think the culture of "Come on in the money is fine.." that the Army likes to sell should continue either.


Agreed, it shoudn't. Neither should the 'get your money for college here' heavy spin they're putting on it.
on Apr 21, 2004
Well spoken. I would find it easier today to sign up as a mercenary for a corporation and make up to 1,000.00 US tax dollars a day, if I wanted money. Did you know we have 3X the number of mercenaries in Iraq than the British have troops period? I question the allegiance of such people and who is giving them the orders. There are a lot of 'Benjamins' saying to do as told by the Corp. rather than the American Command. I see problems coming, as I read a lot of them are being injured and dying, but are not listed in the body count, so who will pay for that? Bet it won't be the Corporation ?
on Apr 21, 2004
Since I could talk, I wanted to be a sailor. My dad was a Navy man for 24 years. I wanted to serve my country. At 17 I did. Did 6 years in the Navy, got out because I fell in love. The military is not conducive to family. Had I stayed single, I'd still be there. I also joined during the first installment of the Gulf War. To serve my country. I didn't need an education, was never going to go to college, can't stand the liberals. I didn't do it for a paycheck, I did it for my country. I was in Haiti when Clinton sent us, I helped feed the refugees and clean the refugees. I was in the same battlegroup that rescued the Air Farce pilot shot down in Bosnia. I was off the coast of Africa in '96 with a bunch of damn Jarheads when things got hot there. For my country. Unforutnately, I have to agree with you Grey, Beck was wrong. That ignorant ex-Marine (bullshit!) was right. Him and the rest of the pansies who joined just for the benefits were the norm. War time changes the norm, though. As for hillbilly Jessica, I still firmly believe a woman's place is in the kitchen, not the combat zone, no matter how big a girl she is.
But a contract is a contract, and if the education carrot is enough to entice soldiers, then so be it. I just don't want to hear the media explain the military as a bunch of money hungry morons going to slaughter because they were too stupid to read the fine print. My father joined the Navy as a result of following a judge's order or go to prison. That was in 1957. No regrets.
on Apr 22, 2004
I guess I need to check start alignments as WA agreed with me and I agreed with mikimouse both ont he same day. I fully expect a comet to obliterate the earth at any moment. Nice to se you WA

voodoo - thanx for the thoughts, better put on the flame suit though as I am sure several of the female soldiers or ex-soldiers who read my posts have some choice words for you. I will simply step aside for *that* battle but you may find Arquonzo as an ally. Especially once he declares himself Caliph/Czar/God-Emperor of Wisconsin!
on Apr 25, 2004
Yeah I am one of those women who Greywar was referring to, Mr. Voodoo. SO...because I have a pair of tits makes it wrong for me to be in the military. You couldnt be more mistaken, twit. As a female soldier, I realize that I cant do some of the stuff you "big boys" in the military can do. No...I cant carry a 150 pound ruck sack through the desert and no....I cant be in the majority of the combart arms MOSs. But I can still do everything else you narrow-minded assclown. Put me on the front lines and I will shoot with no second thoughts...if I so choose to I could jump out of C-130s and Blackhawks. But just because I dont have a penis doesnt mean I couldnt kick your sorry ass.
You disgust me.
on Apr 25, 2004
Mmmmmm.... Tasty, flame-broiled voodoo.... Might be better with ketchup but I will settled for the simplicity of charred chauvinism....
on Apr 25, 2004
Assclown responding: Women have no place in a combat zone. Period. I know women who can shoot better and straighter than me, but that doesn't make them a soldier. A penis doesn't seem to help men, rather it's a hindrance. Contrary to your opinion, Lassie, I'd prefer a pair of tits on the front line, makes a great pillow. You sound like a very attractive young lady, full of vim and vigor, and that's good. I didn't say you couldn't do it, i just say you shouldn't do it. I think a rivet gun would look better in your slender, milky white fingers. I'm not trying to come across as an ass, but I would'nt mind it. I'm just tired of women with penis envy. Really tired. Women are notoriously poor judges of distance, speed, math, physics, and common sense. It's not chauvinism, I have no contempt (overtly) for women. For the women who can hack it, good for you. I hope you find a man more manly than yourself. Now go get me a beer.
on Apr 25, 2004
Actually the statistics on machine gun quals would say differently voodoo. Whenever you go to a M2 range you just need to stow your male ego because if there are girls shooting that mug the same day, you will look like a spastic drunken monkey by comparison.
on Apr 25, 2004
Reread my reply grey, I gave that exception in the beginning of my retort. That still doesn't make the "lass" a better soldier.
on Apr 25, 2004
Oh, and I'm a lefty shooting a righty gun.
on Apr 25, 2004
Women are notoriously poor judges of distance, speed, math, physics, and common sense.


That's a rather wide-sweeping statement, don't you think? Perhaps the women you've known up until now have been like that, but I don't think it's fair to tar us all with the same brush.

I don't have penis envy either. I might suggest that you do though?
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