I am a Culturalist
Published on August 3, 2004 By greywar In Politics

little whip had a very interesting and provocative article here which I didn’t catch up to until the thread had been Godwin’d several times over. Frankly many of the hysterical screeds that people were passing off as comments to her well written and honest article made me wish I had more trolling ratings to hand out every day.

While I do most often find myself in groups that consists mostly of whites (hmmm out of 9 people in my van 5 are white, 1 is Choctaw, 1 is black, 1 is mixed, and one is Middle Eastern of some nature…still the group is mostly white) I am certainly not uncomfortable around non-white folks. I have lived almost half my adult life in Asia and have dealt with non-whites everyday of my Army career with very little friction despite coming from an area of the country that is damn near exclusively white (they don’t call it the Great White North for nothing).

I remember distinctly having my first real conversation with a black man at Basic Training, it went like this : (honest accounting, but I will put on my flame suit anyways)

PVT McCune “Hey man, can I have that last piece of fried chicken?”

PVT Greywar “Sure, I want the roast beef anyways.”

PVT McCune “Cool, I can’t help myself when it comes to fried chicken.” (looks at me expectantly)

PVT Greywar “Why?” (had never heard the stereotype)

PVT McCune “Because I’m black yo!” (puzzled that I didn’t get it)

I did have several encounters during basic training with something that did make me feel uncomfortable though…. A culture, not a race. The culture of Me-ism. The culture that said that no-one else in the world has any right to any consideration whatsoever. These were the folks who would not shut up at night after a long day of Basic with an early morning the next day unless you got out of your bunk and beat their ass or at least made a convincing threat to do so. This was the culture that said it is ok to talk on your fucking phone during a movie, or to play your stereo at jet engine levels in the barracks at 2 a.m., or to treat local citizens like retards because you would be leaving the country in 12 months or less, or to demand that they be allowed to do less work than other people in the platoon.

Who were the perpetrators of these offenses? That hated group the Inner City-ites. Generally speaking these folks were in fact non-white but only generally. I immediately ran into white folks with the exact same problems from this same origin : the American Inner City.

This exposure was greatly lessened as I left Basic Training to attend language training at the Defense Language Institute. This school was overwhelmingly white in the 1990’s and the non-whites I met were by and large considerate of others.

By the time I was in my second Korea tour however my larger exposure to this culture of Me-ism has once again planted the seeds of doubt in my mind. These doubts were banished by my buddy Roy and airframe mechanic for Avtel (the maintainers for the RC-7 aircraft). Roy and his wife are from the Bahamas (she has the accent he doesn’t) and are both black. He and I were drinking beer and watching the news at his house when some news piece ran with totally ridiculous commentary from a rapper about how he needed his “props” and that the “man” was keeping his “peeps” down. Roy face screwed up like he had just smelled something awful and he said “These goddamn American Blacks give all the rest of the world’s blacks a bad name!” I took he opportunity to tell him that I didn’t think it was the blacks exactly but the inner-city hip-hop culture that was responsible. I pointed out that we both had American black friends who did not act this way and eventually he agreed with me.

Am I more comfortable in the company of whites? No, but I am more comfortable in the company of people who are not self-centered retards. Little whip made no bones about this in her article. She made it clear that it was not that all blacks were bad but that the majority of the one she had met in the inner city were culturally incompatible with her. For stating this honestly her blog was inundated with half-witted replies and accusations of Nazism.

Let me make this clear, anyone who Godwin’s this article will be permanently blacklisted and the offending comment will be deleted after getting a trolling rating. This is my blog and these are my rules. If you feel the need to tell me I am a Nazi or to photoshop me into a Grand Dragon of the KKK outfit do it on your own blog.


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on Aug 04, 2004

Would you have asked why had it been watermelon?

No, I would not have asked because who can help themselves when it comes to watermelon? Is there anyone besides folsk with food allergies who won't eat watermelon until they are stuffed? I don't even have a clue how these two stereotypes got started. Like chicken and watermelon a lot? Of course! Just like everyone else!

on Aug 04, 2004
pseudosoldier raises hand
I'm not too big on watermelon, although I like it more now than when I was a kid.

Good article, tho. Very thought provoking.
on Aug 04, 2004
Greywar said: I am more comfortable in the company of people who are not self-centered retards.

Don’t we all make our own little “ghettos” where we can be comfortable?

Many of us do not like to have our little worlds disturbed by people who think differently than we do. When they dare to point out what they see as glaring errors in our thinking, we are up in arms, ready to defend our position with emotional outbursts of rage, name calling, putdowns, and/or ridicule, just to name a few reactions that I have resorted to when my own “sacred cows” was being butchered by someone I might have labeled a “self-centered retard”.

How much better thinkers we would be if we would just reexamine our thinking to see if perhaps, we have somehow veered off the path in our common pursuit of what is really true and good.
on Aug 04, 2004
well stated Oleteach.
For this reason I pick and chose when and where I get into conversations concerning religion or politics. Of course the topic in question is not either, but sensetive to say the least. I can recall many discussions when somebody would put a "whole" class of peoples into one little box because of the actions of one or a few. We need to always remember we are all unique even when we are in a group.
on Aug 04, 2004
I just wandered over here on a link from another site and found this an interesting topic. I have only one problem with some blacks, and it's the same problem I have with cell phone users. I'd like to tell everyone don't invade my hearing space with your loud voice. I rode the train to work everyday with a mix of people. About three to one if a group could be heard at the other end of the car, it would be a black group laughing and gabbing together. When I rode other suburban train lines that were predominently white, the noise level was way down. Many cell phone users show this lack of courtesy. If a cell phone user was around me, I would just start reading my book aloud, and mostly the books I choose to read are boring to others. They soon got the message. I worked in an office where the one black woman couldn't lower her voice when she was on the phone. We had to learn every detail of her extended nice but dysfunctional family. It's a matter of manners rather than skin color.
on Aug 04, 2004
Many of us do not like to have our little worlds disturbed by people who think differently than we do. When they dare to point out what they see as glaring errors in our thinking, we are up in arms, ready to defend our position with emotional outbursts of rage, name calling, putdowns, and/or ridicule, just to name a few reactions that I have resorted to when my own “sacred cows” was being butchered by someone I might have labeled a “self-centered retard”.


This is exactly why I like to spend the first week or so agreeing with everything that is even half-way reasonable that somebody new says. Then they decide that I am insightful enough to be worth listening to.
on Aug 04, 2004
Yet another piece of evidence it isn't the color of your skin but how IGNORANT you act.


Outstanding article once again....I love how you find words to express what many people feel but can't quite define....
on Aug 04, 2004

I love how you find words to express what many people feel but can't quite define....

thanks but really it was little whips original work that framed it all out.

on Aug 04, 2004
Hello boys and girls.

This was an excellent article Greywar - I read through it in it's entirety, and because you are a very skilled writer, with no deliberate intentions of provokation, I thought the article was brilliant, as you were able to articulate your beleifs in the space of an article, instead of making people angry with careless titles, and counting on 50+ comments to try and justify your opinion.

I have no argument with cultural diversity between Austrlia and America, all you need to know is that we have an urban culture here, and I am indifferent to blacks and whites, because you cannot categorise a colour of skin into participation of this urban culture.

There are white thugs, and black thugs, but I am not going to say I prefer the company of whites, because they are less likely to be a thug - every individual person I come across, will be judged on their own merits... not someone else with the same skin colour.

If some people are scared of the PC police, maybe they should take some time to actually think about what they are writing, instead of deliberate attempts to provoke in order to get points... LW - you knew exactly what kind of reaction you would get, and you revel in it...

BAM!!!
on Aug 04, 2004

Muggaz - Thanks:) I stopped reading the commentary on the other thread when I ran out of trollings for the Godwin-festival so I didn't catch the Aussie bits... nonetheless

There are white thugs, and black thugs, but I am not going to say I prefer the company of whites, because they are less likely to be a thug

This may not be the case in your country, but here in the US we have concentrated our black population into areas where the "thug-life" (hip-hop's term not mine) is promoted heavily. hence the percentage here are quite different.

every individual person I come across, will be judged on their own merits...

A good policy when you can afford it. I count myself lucky to be able to do this most of the time. In other situations liek say... downtown LA this policy would be ill advised at best.

on Aug 04, 2004

Like chicken and watermelon a lot? Of course! Just like everyone else!


I agree, sterotyping is ludicrous and probably started in a local bar by those feeling giddy and have run out of women, sports and political talk.

on Aug 05, 2004
This is exactly why I like to spend the first week or so agreeing with everything that is even half-way reasonable that somebody new says. Then they decide that I am insightful enough to be worth listening to.


on Aug 05, 2004

greywar, im sorry for the hijack

Not really a hijacking in this case which is why I didn't take Muggaz to task for it either. The article talked about the devolution of your thread. I would rather see a bit more of a meta-discussion about the growing trend on JU to harp on the other person rather than the issues the person wrote about though...

on Aug 05, 2004
Actually he spelled out in the first paragraph of his "stamp of approval" what exactly he preferred about GW's style over yours, LW. Greywar may have covered the same ground, but he stepped a lot more lightly and avoided peoples' toes.

And as I mentioned in some other thread, I have to agree with Mugz in that your writing style is much blunter. (Your suggested word, though I still think "confrontational" is at least as appropriate.) You don't take the time to try to phrase things in a way that gets your point across without being open to easy interpretation as something that is angry, hostile, flame-fanning, or racist. And you don't mind appearing that way because you enjoy a lot of these little arguments. (Again, as you admitted on that other thread.) Taking some heat that you don't enjoy is the price you pay for liking it hot in the first place.
on Sep 28, 2004
Actually I am amazed at the percentage of folks who seem to do nothing else other than meta-blogging.
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