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Published on January 8, 2007 By greywar In Politics

     I will continue to flog this deceased equine because the hits just won't stop coming. This week from The Guardian :

"An undercover investigation has revealed disturbing evidence of Islamic extremism at a number of Britain's leading mosques and Muslim institutions, including an organisation praised by the Prime Minister."

"Secret video footage reveals Muslim preachers exhorting followers to prepare for jihad, to hit girls for not wearing the hijab, and to create a 'state within a state'."

 

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 "In response to the news that a British Muslim solider was killed fighting the Taliban, the speaker declares: 'The hero of Islam is the one who separated his head from his shoulders.'" ("religion of peace" right? -GW)

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"'You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir [non-Muslim],' a preacher, Dr Ijaz Mian, tells a meeting held within the mosque. 'We have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.'"

 

 

     Does the citizenry of the UK need an engraved invitation to the Clue party? The organizers and distributors of this sort of material have a very clear view of the situation as a fight to the death between two incompatible cultures. The citizens of the UK have yet to figure this out and that goes for Moderate Muslims too. Wahabbi Muslims don't think you are "Muslim enough" and will move on to you after creating their "state-within-a-state" and unless you stop allowing crap like this to go on in your mosques and institutions there won't be a lot of sympathy forthcoming for you.

 

Figure it out folks. You have to police your own religion.

 

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on Jan 08, 2007
I like it how they cry 'witch hunt' whenever they're found out like a deer in headlights!

Will the people wake up and see the writing on the wall once they have seen the program? Probably not. It's just all in our heads about the extremism of those who are inciting violence just because you dont' follow them!
on Jan 08, 2007
as long as political correctness rules the day, nothing will be done about this till it is to late.
on Jan 08, 2007
as long as political correctness rules the day, nothing will be done about this


Very true and it is time to stop tiptoeing around being afraid to offend any-ones sensibilities!

on Jan 08, 2007
"as long as political correctness rules the day, nothing will be done about this till it is to late."


As long as there is hateful fearmongering, people will be distracted by "Islam" and not face the fact that out of a billion or more Muslims worldwide, only a small minority does this. So long as they are so distracted, they'll never address the real problems.
on Jan 08, 2007
only a small minority does this.


That small minority had the "power" to bring down the Towers - lets not forget that a small thorn can cause a major wound. That small minority had the power to change the way americans live - by making have to be more security conscious... they did have an effect - small or not...I would hardly call the minority a distraction.
on Jan 08, 2007
Minorities have a way of growing.
on Jan 08, 2007
LIsten, I've heard "Christians", in church, say that the world would be a better place if AIDS killed all homosexuals. I've heard them, with my own ears, praise abortion clinic bombers. People like Pat Robertson and others are always saying that God is going to cut us down as a society because of our sinfulness.

There's a very, very short step between that and suggesting that people start the culling themselves. There are problems in the Middle East that leech out into the rest of the world. There are crazy people everywhere.

Islam does not, in any way, corner the market on hate and violent attitudes. We have our own Christian militants in the US, and we always have. They've killed, too. The reason they don't take hold here, and the reason that fundamentalists take hold there, is the REAL reason for this hate.

Blaming it on the religion is foolish. There's a reason we in the US are far less susceptible to this kind of hateful propaganda. There's a reason why when we hear Christian fundamentalists like Phelps spewing hate that we react violently AGAINST it.

Why we do, and they don't, isn't religion. Making it seem so just distracts from the real problems. Look at what Catholics and Protestants have done in Ireland. We don't blame religion for that, because we are smart enough to see that there was something deeper at work.
on Jan 08, 2007
When I read your title, I wondered what Sting was doing investigating hate, jihad, and violence... not that he hasn't crusaded against that sort of thing in the past, but I'd prefer for him to be working on a new album for now.

Yeah, wrong sting.

That is all.
on Jan 08, 2007

People like Pat Robertson and others are always saying that God is going to cut us down as a society because of our sinfulness.

 

and mainstream Christian ostracize them, marginalize their power and condemn any acts they might take regarding their lunatic ideas. Islam has yet to make that leap. The "vast majority" do nothing at best, or at worst actively support and encourage their lunatics. you label it "fearmongering" to bring this up, I label it a call to action for the real moderate muslims to put their money where their press releases are. Note that Muslim organizations didn't actually condemn this material but rather called the investigation of it a "witch-hunt".

on Jan 08, 2007
"Islam has yet to make that leap. The "vast majority" do nothing at best, or at worst actively support and encourage their lunatics."


I don't think they say enough either. That said, what did you do to condemn the slaughter of Muslims by Serbs? How many of us made an effort to get out there and condemn the Prods or Catholics every time they blew someone up in Ireland?

When Muslims DO comment, it isn't enough for us unless they condemn their RELIGION. If we HAD commented on Ireland or Bosnia, would it have been to condemn the religion, or the people? Would we have vilified Catholicism? We don't, why should they?

I think it is a witch hunt, too, because like witch hunts it seeks to vilify something that isn't the problem. If the problem was Islam, then their rhetoric would take hold just as well with American Muslims as anyone else. The fact is, it doesn't

If it did, we wouldn't need to import crazies from the Middle East, and the few crazies we have wouldn't have to head to Muslim nations to get support and training. If Islam were the soil, the problem would exist wherever there is Islam. That's not how it works, though, because without ties to places like the Middle East and Central Asia Islamic fundamentalism rots on the vine.

So, regardless of such witch hunts, the point just ain't getting made. I knew a LOT of Muslim fundamentalists in college. There were among them people that I would consider, literally, evil people. Not your garden variety frat boys, lemme tell ya, when they showed pictures of the 19, I expected to recognize at least one or two.

BUT... those people could not exist here. This place was toxic to them. They didn't even get along with their fellow Muslims, even the ones who had originally come from the Middle East. If Islam was the problem, that wouldn't have been so.
on Jan 09, 2007

This place was toxic to them.

Agreed, Wahabbi extremists find the existance of places like this to be an abominations against God. Thats why they want to see it destroyed.

 

BUT... those people could not exist here.

They did exist here some for quite some time and on multiple occasions. Then they hijacked planes and flew them into buildings after availing themselves of stateside mosque hospitality and forbearance from the communities, many of whom knew they were extremists.

When Muslims DO comment, it isn't enough for us unless they condemn their RELIGION.

Hooey. We can't even get them to condemn the terror organizations. I don't want them in the street with signs condemning Islam, but how about being able to actually stammer out a condemnation of Hamas, Hizbollah, or Al-Qaeda in a TV interview? Why can't CAIR actually say the words? Want a link? Here ya go. They don't need to renounce Islam, just terror.

on Jan 09, 2007
"Hooey. We can't even get them to condemn the terror organizations.


Hooey, indeed. Almost every major Muslim group releases a statement condemning attacks when they occur. You don't bother to look. For their part, they say the same things when we spend time condemning Muslims and ignoring atrocities against Muslims.

"They did exist here some for quite some time and on multiple occasions."


Exist, only. Not thrive, not spread. Like I said, if Islam were the culprit, they wouldn't need to go to the Middle East or Central Asia for aid and comfort. Therefore the problem isn't here. Since Islam is, Islam isn't the problem.

It's just common sense. There are millions of Muslims in the US. More Muslims here than in Gaza for God's sake. Do you realize the utter horror show terrorism would be here if what you say was true?

But, when folks want to fly planes into buildings here, they have to sneak around. They can't rely on the Muslim mainstream here, and they're lucky to even recruit a few nuts. When they need money and training, they head overseas, despite the presence of millions of Muslims here.

There are FAR more Christian militants in America than Muslim. Christianity to blame?

on Jan 10, 2007
{Greywar: People like Pat Robertson and others are always saying that God is going to cut us down as a society because of our sinfulness.}

As an aside, I'd stick with the others. Robertson is a charlatan. He doesn't deserve comment.
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