Muslims March Protests School Killings! Wait No they didn't.

Issue all the Edicts You Want Against Me.

Published on September 7, 2004 By greywar In Current Events

A couple of days ago Pseudosoldier posted a thought provoking article here. Go read it, I’ll wait….

Hmmmm….Hmmmm…. Hmmmm….

Back? Ok great… the main thrust of it was to point up a possible upsurge of conscience in the Muslim community. Perhaps even the Muslim community condemning the Russian school atrocity. I submit that they have not even come close… Here is what a bit of research got me with the searchterms: Muslims protest Russian school.

Surely I should find many Muslim marching in the streets of this hijacking of their peaceful and loving religion right? Wrong! Not a single fucking protest! Not one!

Here are the things that Muslims do feel are worth marching against. Hijabs. Evangelism. Kidnapping the French (but anyone else is ok). Lastly, Infidels in shrines. These are the issues that get Muslims out in the streets. Not slaughtered children.

Of course this can be explained by Muslim apologists who say that obviously the killers in Russia were Jews. Naturally I can count on Islamonline to blame Russian tactics instead of the actual hostage takers.

The discussion on shianews.com seemed to at least have a few sane folks but they were mixed in with loons or non-comittals. Some Quotage below:

It is the most barbaric act anyone can do. Killing children!!!!!!! I pray to Allah to kill these terrorists.
Saima
India

May Allah (SWT) curse the enemies of Islam and may these terrorists be wiped out from the earth with the re-appearence of our saviour, Al Mehdi (A.S)!!!
Leila
Australia

What happened in Iraq, when 12 Nepalese hostages were murdered in cold blood, is a more horrific crime than what happened in Beslan. I say so, because unlike what the Russian government would like us to believe, it might have been the case that they brought the catastrophe on themselves.

Qasim Zaidi
India

Moderate Islam? I think not.

Comments (Page 2)

greywar

on Sep 08, 2004

Like when you protested when some whiteboy Timothy McVeigh bombed a building that included childcare facilities...

I did protest that you ass. How the fuck would you know what I did back then? I joined the intelligence services to stop shit like this and I have been doing it for 13 fucking years. You are total jackass and now (finally) blacklisted. Go fuck yourself.

i believe you mean gideon

Yes I did mean gideon actually (it is the trumpet thing)

I disagree with your rationale that acts decades in the past equate to excusing or even mitigating the murder of children in the present. So since my Irish ancestors were treated like crap I would not be faulted as a disgusting monster if I whacked 300 English school kids? That is farsical Kingbee and it is moral equivalency arrguments like this that lose credibility for the left. History is not an excuse for murder ever. If it was we would have simply nuked Khandahar after 9/11.

greywar

on Sep 08, 2004

Do you for one second believe the IRA was fighting because of religion?

yes! and they are shitheaded terrorist scum as well. Fuck em

kingbee

on Sep 08, 2004

I disagree with your rationale that acts decades in the past equate to excusing or even mitigating the murder of children in the present.

could i have more clearly denied any mitigation than this? that doesnt mitigate any of the actions of the chechens but it does put them in perspective or this? of course not. there is no justification whatsoever

this is a direct quote from that nzz article: the problem of Islamism, around which serious fighting broke out starting in the summer of 1998. After the war, even secularly inclined Chechens welcomed the state-sponsored renaissance of Islam as a means of strengthening the republic's national identity. But, influenced by Muslim preachers from the Middle East, extremist ideas quickly spread, ideas which had been utterly alien to the region just a few years earlier.

yeltsin's hawks, putin prime among them, have used the ensuing chaos to strengthen their power at the expense of both the russian and chechen peoples. recognizing russian government culpability does not by any means justify chechen terrorism. as i said in my first comment on this post, there is no high ground here. if i feed someone psychoactive drugs, arm that person and point out a target, im as guilty as he for what happens next. . just ask charlie manson.

it is moral equivalency arrguments like this that lose credibility for the left.

once again, im not attributing moral equivalency; just widening the circle of culpability. i cant imagine why youre viewing this in terms of left vs right. its not a matter that should be politicized or polarized that way.

kingbee

on Sep 08, 2004

(it is the trumpet thing)

makes perfect sense to me

greywar

on Sep 08, 2004

if i feed someone psychoactive drugs, arm that person and point out a target, im as guilty as he for what happens next. . just ask charlie manson.

No one fed these guys drugs. No one mad ethem do anything excpet their leaders who are you mentioned in your quote are Islamists. The entire point of the article was to demonstrate that once again the Muslim community at large can't even bring itself to condemn the killing of children. Instead of giving their own cause credibility they instead lash out at the Russian government. This is simple dislogia on the part of the Muslim community. It is liek the serial killer who when asked the question " Why did you kick those women to death?" answers "You know I wear really soft shoes." They can't bring themselves to address the core issue at hand so they deflect onto other tangentially related topics. This thread is a prime example of that. The article was about the lack of Muslim reaction from beginning to end and all the replies have been deflections.

The bottom line is that a scarf will get the Moderate Muslim into the streets but the slaughtered schoolkids won't.

its not a matter that should be politicized or polarized that way.

you are correct and I apologize for that, it has simply become habit for me during this election year.

Solitair

on Sep 09, 2004

greywar,
which part of my describing the incident as sickening and my disgust and shock did you miss when you decided to accuse me of justifying these acts? Let me be clear here that the incident was absolutely awful and I hope the russians execute those that are responsible. There is NO justification or excuse for those actions or any attacks against innocent civilians. There is no mitagation for the level of the crime.

This is very different from objecting to you turning a political incident into a religious incident though. You do not seem to understand that thios is the point I disagree with.

I really do not understand where your hatred of muslims is coming from here greywar. Why do you insist on ignoring all evidence of political motivation to try to turn this into a religious motivated incident? It was not. It was an anti-russian incident. You're willing to ignore all evidence of political motive and also all evidence of muslims actually protesting against this, just so that you can muslim bash. Why? Why can you not condemn it as a horrible crime that many people in muslim countries also condemn? Including people inthe very country the terrorists claim to be fighting for.

Paul.

Mackintosh

on Sep 09, 2004

This is very different from objecting to you turning a political incident into a religious incident though

How is it not a religious incident if one of the quintessential postulates of the Chechen separatist movement is the creation of an Islamic theocratic state?

Solitair

on Sep 09, 2004

Little Whip,
I come from Ireland and can tell you that a Christian heart is well capable of bombing children in packed streets. Even wors, it takes thousands of Christian hearts in the US to fund this terrorism. These generalisations are nothing but racism. It takes a warped sick individual to do any of these things regradless of religious affiliation and the sooner people realise this the better. Lets stop being racist here and focus on the sickness in individuals.

As mentioned in Gid's post the figures presented are very interesting but do have some important biases in what is included as domestic or international which skew the figures. Not a single state killing is included as terrorism.

In Chechnya, the separist leader Aslan Maskhadov (the ex-president) himself condemned the killings. Does he not count?

Paul.

Solitair

on Sep 09, 2004

Mack,
there is a crucial difference between a religious incident and the desire for an islamic state. In northern Ireland the IRA claim to be protecting catholics. Does this make the murder of protestants a religious incident? No. It makes it a sick case of terrorism and one which I would not fling at the door of the protestant religion.
Why do people refuse to give the same equal treatment to muslims. Chechnya did NOT want an islamic theocratic state. It wanted independence from russia as a democratic country. It declared independence and elected a president; Religion was not a player in politics. It's only been the brutal oppression over the past decade that has allowed Islamic fundamentalists to flourish. Even now it is not a religious war. The leader of the Chechnyans (the elected president) himself has condemned the killing of children. He doesn't want an islamic theocratic state.
No this was a sick terrorist incident inspired by a hatred of Russia.

Paul.

Gideon MacLeish

on Sep 09, 2004

Paul,

state killings aren't mentioned, but there's no reason to believe state killings aren't at least as prevalent in Muslim countries--do those get excused from the umbrella of terrorism or are they reasonable to include? The fact is, many Muslim countries are very high on the watch list of human rights groups, telling me something's got to be wrong there.

I'm getting the feeling you're one of those who would argue if someone told you the sky is blue...I tossed out some pretty hard statistics, and you are trying to spin them towards your analysis of the sunny rosy world of happy al Qaeda guys who are forced into blowing up buildings by the cruel tyrannical west.

greywar

on Sep 09, 2004

Does this make the murder of protestants a religious incident?

Abso-fucking-lutely

on Sep 10, 2004

despicable is the deafening silence from the muslim world in response to it

Yeah. Even I can hear the silence. It's a pity.

on Sep 10, 2004

*cough* oops...

Doomagoth

on Sep 10, 2004

Aint religon great? My gods gonna kick your gods ass. Spread the love?

Doomagoth

on Sep 10, 2004

Aint religon great? My gods gonna kick your gods ass. Spread the love?

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