Published on January 10, 2007 By greywar In Current Events

     Full Disclosure : I am not a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Shintoist, Buddhist or adherent of any religion whatsoever (unless beer is a religion?).

     Are we extending the term "hate crime" to include inanimate objects? More importantly are we extening it to include only non-christian inanimate objects? Mary covered in dung and surrounded by porn is not only O.K. it is state sponsored "art". Same goes for "Piss Christ". Someone throws a Koran in the toilet though and bingo! Hate crime.

     Would it be a "hate crime" if it was a Bible, or a Christian icon? Not very likely. The ACLU would be on that like stick on shit is my bet. They would defend it to the last breath as "freedom of expression" and they would be right to do so. I support people like the revolting artists who mock Christianity and other religions because I beleive in freedom of speech. "Should the State be sponsoring it?" is of course another issue.

     Of course what really brought the Koran bit to the fore was this :

"January 9, 2007 -- Pace University administrators threatened to sic the cops on a Jewish-student club if it went ahead with plans to screen a critically acclaimed film about radical Islam, the head of the group charged yesterday."

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"The school stepped in after receiving complaints from Muslim students that the film negatively portrayed Islam."

     You will also note that there isn't a shred of evidence that the members of this student group were actually responsible for the Korans in the toilet even if damaging books should be considered to be a hate crime.

     I additionally find it a bit sad that Pace University caved to pressure on this as well. You can certainly bet that they wouldn't apply this sort of pressure if the film being shown was "The Last Temptation of Christ" or a documentary on the brutal excesses of the Crusades. It seems that only non-Christian religions are subjectable to "hate crimes" committed against inanimate objects or privileged to not have their religions shown in a negative light. Is there a double standard when it comes to sensitivity?

Disclaimer:

      Of course this is just me being a "hateful, racist, fearmonger" and I should be silenced. In fact I am the root cause of Terrorism, War, and Bad Television because I point things out. Thats probably why people have urged for death fatwas to be issued against me and my family. (I would link to it but it has been deleted by the author here so believe it or don't.)

 

 

 

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on Jan 10, 2007
"hateful, racist, fearmonger"


Actually, no. Islam is not a race, and indeed the adherants are from virtually all races.

But, yea, I find it very ironic that we are supposed to laugh off dung Mary and Piss Christ, yet supposed to find compassion for Yusef Islam when he calls for the murder of a man who dared write a book. While proclaiming him ad advocate of peace.
on Jan 10, 2007
The term "hate crime" is stupid.. I've always thought that.

Basically, if you commit some sort of crime against someone outside your race, religion, etc. than it's a hate crime. That's just another form of racism. We're all equal? Apparently not.

I swear...who are the people that are so damned bored to think up these stupid things? Say a white guy shoots another white guy...not a hate crime. White guy shoots a black guy...hate crime. Same scenario, different labels....*sigh*

~Zoo
on Jan 10, 2007
"But, yea, I find it very ironic that we are supposed to laugh off dung Mary and Piss Christ, yet supposed to find compassion for Yusef Islam when he calls for the murder of a man who dared write a book. While proclaiming him ad advocate of peace."


And the Amish believe they should have have compassion for the guy that killed their kids. Non-Muslims here say we should have compassion for the Hussein family. Feel free to make the point that Islam is somehow special, but I can come back with examples from about every other part of culture.

Your beef is with the Liberals that believe in this 'hate crime' crap. Take it up with the people who feel that annoying sexual predators is a hate crime. Take it up with people who believe quoting scriptures about homosexuality is a hate crime. Come on. There're stupid people in every religion, and most of the people who promote these ideals have no religion at all.

We see this kind of whiney crap from people all the time. We saw it when Jews protested The Passion, we saw it when Christians protested the "piss" thing. There's nothing especially Islamic in nature about this, "Hate Crime" stuff is born of Western Liberals, not Muslims.
on Jan 10, 2007
" Of course this is just me being a "hateful, racist, fearmonger" and I should be silenced. In fact I am the root cause of Terrorism, War, and Bad Television because I point things out. Thats probably why people have urged for death fatwas to be issued against me and my family. (I would link to it but it has been deleted by the author here so believe it or don't.)"


The fact that you keep characterizing opposing arguments like that makes me think you aren't even worth arguing with. No one said you should be silenced. No one said you are the root cause of terrorism.

When you obsessively post negative things about Muslims and try to ignorantly tar the religion as a danger, though, you ARE playing to the propaganda terrorists issue about us. They say we are opposed to Islam, you give them examples. If that stings, examine yourself.

If you are saying I am trying to silence you or saying you are the "root cause of terrorism" that makes you both ignorant AND a liar.
on Jan 10, 2007
When you obsessively post negative things about Muslims and try to ignorantly tar the religion as a danger


Maybe I do post obsessively, but if I am obsessive on my end, you are at least as obsessive from yours.

Take it up with people who believe quoting scriptures about homosexuality is a hate crime.


What do you think I am doing with this article? That what the blog is for my friend.


If that stings, examine yourself.


Doesn't sting a bit.

No one said you should be silenced.


Actually yes they have many times:) It just wasn't you. You are not the only critic I have had here baker and not even the most vocal. Been here for a while man... don't beleive me? Ask LW, Dharma, Brad etc...
on Jan 10, 2007
We see this kind of whiney crap from people all the time. We saw it when Jews protested The Passion, we saw it when Christians protested the "piss" thing. There's nothing especially Islamic in nature about this, "Hate Crime" stuff is born of Western Liberals, not Muslims.


We also did not see any calls for death in your examples. Yet "Mainstream" muslims called for Salman Rushdie's death. Right that is so equivalent to the Amish.
on Jan 10, 2007
This isn't worth my time. How can live stand being caricatures? You're friggin like characters that Liberals would put in a skit to make FUN of conservatives.

Go on with this. Whatever. This is the last time I'll respond to ANY blog on Muslim phobias here. You can't reason out of people what wasn't reasoned in. If you want to live up to the hopes of terrorists, fine, but you are hypocrites when you take Dems to task for doing it from the other end.
on Jan 12, 2007
Say a white guy shoots another white guy...not a hate crime. White guy shoots a black guy...hate crime. Same scenario, different labels....*sigh*
---zoologist03

But I find myself wondering if it would be the same if a black guy shot a white guy. Happens all the time, really.....never called a hate crime, though. not that I'm aware.

Let's face it....Jews and Christians rock....Muslims suck. Any questions?  
on Jan 12, 2007
It's only a hate crime when it's against a non-Christian. It's open season on Christians ya know.
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